Amazing Kreiderman
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Recalled/Assigned: Lias to Hartford, Gettinger called up
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This is what happens when you draft a low ceiling guy with the 7OA pick. I'd rather a guy with high end skill not make it than just ending up with a 4th liner at best.
Great? I think that's a strong word. Kakko fell into his lap, but his other top 10 picks have not advanced this organization forward. McIlrath was a bust. The jury is still out on Kravtsov and Andersson, but it ain't looking too good right now.
The Rangers are crawling out of the rebuild primarily because they got lucky with Kakko and acquired Trouba and Panarin. As a fan who is happy with the direction the organization is going, I'd argue it's been in spite of Clark, not because of him.
Hunter Gathers
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Who cares? If whoever we call up is getting 5 minutes a game, who gives a shit? I'd rather it be a guy like Gettinger who has a bottom-6 future if he has one than someone else. I mean, folks were complaining left and right that Lias was getting no ice time. And now we call up a guy that won't be receiving much ice time to take the place of someone who wasn't receiving much ice time and it's an issue? Come on, dude.
This is a good move for Lias. Let him get prime minutes, and play the role you want him to play in the NHL. Let him be a two way shutdown center, or a pesky grinding winger. Play the PK, and go up against the oppositions top units.
He wasn't getting that opportunity here. I think you debilitate your players and team's chances of winning by rolling 3 lines at the NHL level, especially down the season. Lias was in a situation where his in-game minutes were not conducive to winning hockey.
This is the best move for him.
For Lias- he needs to go down there with a point to prove. Don't mope, or be an emo about things. Play your game, be who you are. Get your confidence back. Get on Knoblach's good graces. He's doing very well down there.
This is the guy that coached Debrincat, D. Strome, McDavid, Connor Brown. Embrace the opportunity.
He wasn't getting that opportunity here. I think you debilitate your players and team's chances of winning by rolling 3 lines at the NHL level, especially down the season. Lias was in a situation where his in-game minutes were not conducive to winning hockey.
This is the best move for him.
For Lias- he needs to go down there with a point to prove. Don't mope, or be an emo about things. Play your game, be who you are. Get your confidence back. Get on Knoblach's good graces. He's doing very well down there.
This is the guy that coached Debrincat, D. Strome, McDavid, Connor Brown. Embrace the opportunity.
Yeah, the call-up options were Lettieri, O'Regan, Fogarty, Nieves, Gettinger, and Beleskey. None of them would be "the solution" to any real problem that we have. Beleskey is expensive and the rest (outside of Nieves maybe) are big parts of why Hartford is winning. So it's Gettinger, a young guy who will be fine with limited minutes.
I think they see a role for Timmy Gets. If they can shape him to be a Brian Boyle type, minus the face-offs, that's a very good player. I don't know much about Timmy other than following him a bit his last season in the OHL. But he can cover some ground. His wheels are better than Boyle's before the Barbara Underhill training. That's a good tool set for his size.
If he's willing to bang and drop the gloves, then Timmy's got a shot at getting a longer NHL look.
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Pretty sure this will be Lias' career for the next few years. He's not an NHL player right now and likely won't be. Unless he figures out how to be much quicker and much more decisive his career is going to be a shuttle player between the AHL and NHL. Not giving up on his yet but I'd move him in a second at the deadline if any team would give the Rangers an NHL ready player or around a 3rdish round pick. Not giving up on him but I just don't see any real upside in the guy at this point.
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But what is there to like? He's been absolutely horrible in his time up with he team and you don't just get "minutes" because he needs to be given a shot. He was given a chance in the NHL and has done NOTHING with it. I'm not a Quinn supporter by any means but on this one, I totally agree with the coach. When a player does not earn ice time, the worst thing a coach can do is just give him ice time. It promotes the bad habits Lias has and creates an entitled mindset. That won't help him develop.
I’ll never forget Gordie Clark’s interview after. Lias’ first traverse city. The look on his face was the same that was on mine except for the added dose of anxiety in his voice for being the one responsible for taking this kid. Gordie looked like a guy who got sold a bad batch of oranges at the market. He knew it then. No doubt in my mind and I’m not sure the org has ever been high on lias again. Certainly not when they also got Chytil who was like a brand new Porsche they fell in love with.
there is SOME truth in that he has never been penciled into a top 6 spot and had to play his way off of it. Chytil got that benefit of the doubt no question. But let’s face it when you see a Rav 4 you know it’s a Toyota and there’s not there’s nothing special about it. That’s Lias. That’s who he is in the eyes of management. I think they’d love to trade him if they could before it gets any later but I don’t think they’ll give him away. If it’s between keeping him and hoping he can develop into a real 4C or bottom six winger they rather do that then trade him for a 3rd rounder. At least for now. But it gets late awful quick for a 21 year old forward prospect these days. You need to show progression at some point.
there is SOME truth in that he has never been penciled into a top 6 spot and had to play his way off of it. Chytil got that benefit of the doubt no question. But let’s face it when you see a Rav 4 you know it’s a Toyota and there’s not there’s nothing special about it. That’s Lias. That’s who he is in the eyes of management. I think they’d love to trade him if they could before it gets any later but I don’t think they’ll give him away. If it’s between keeping him and hoping he can develop into a real 4C or bottom six winger they rather do that then trade him for a 3rd rounder. At least for now. But it gets late awful quick for a 21 year old forward prospect these days. You need to show progression at some point.
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At Lias's age McD was just beginning his rookie season, Lias has followed a different path.
As noted, the ice time and time w KK and staff can be very valuable.
Yes, some exceptional players, and more these days than ever, establish themselves, at very young ages, but not every player, not even every very good player, follows that arc.
Marchand wasnt an NHL regular til 22
As noted, the ice time and time w KK and staff can be very valuable.
Yes, some exceptional players, and more these days than ever, establish themselves, at very young ages, but not every player, not even every very good player, follows that arc.
Marchand wasnt an NHL regular til 22
Richard Banger
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Can we please stop comparing a forwards progression rate to a defenseman? Because they are not even remotely the same.
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You misinterpreted. I was criticizing Gettinger more than Lias. I never posted about wanting Lias to go to the A. Gettinger is reaching Boo/Vinni level of being the defacto call up. How many times has this come up and done almost nothing? I was hinting maybe call up someone else.
And I'm responding from a paris supermarket.
Except Lias looked GOOD in preseason and like the first few games of the regular season, and Quinn still buried him.
If Lias gets sent down, then Howden needs to go with him. But for some reason, Howden seems to be Quinn's pet. It seems like he has no issue force-feeding Howden minutes
Hunter Gathers
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But that's fine. Gettinger is a AAAA player with a 4th line upside. I'd rather use him in that role. Who else are we calling up to play 5-10 minutes a night?
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Gettinger is 21. This is the 2nd time he has been called up so far in his career. The first time was last year and he got a total of 30:05 minutes in 4 games.
Hunter Gathers
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Because Howden at least plays with some fire. I think they have been equally bad at hockey things, but one guy is a complete passenger and one guy isn't. That, rightly or wrongly, will earn players a lot of latitude with coaches.
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Lias might not do anything (that much I agree on) but I'd kinda rather the player that does nothing than the awful player who "hustles" a la Brett Howden.
Howden is one of the worst defensive forwards I've seen at the NHL level that isn't an intrinsically bad player tbh.
Howden is one of the worst defensive forwards I've seen at the NHL level that isn't an intrinsically bad player tbh.
But Lias played with some fire in the preseason and like the first few games of the regular season. That clearly didn't help him much. Maybe he realizes he isn't gonna get a fair shake here, and I can't say I blame him. People aren't robots.
Amazing Kreiderman
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All of those are waiver eligible which means the organization may lose them when they send them back down. Gettinger is waiver exempt. I am not sure how much this affects their decision but it's something to keep in mind
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Lias did play well.. and he got a roster spot.
Right or wrong he wasn't getting a center position over zibenajad and strome...so that leaves 2 spots left. He got 1 over a much better prospect in chytil.
In his first 5 games he played 10 mins or more in 3 of them...he had a total of 4 shots on goal in those 5 games...it's worth noting that Michael Haley had the same amount of shots in his first 5 games...playing about half as many minutes as lias..
