Player Discussion Lias Andersson

[apoptygma]

Yeah, this is all I'm saying.

I still think he'll need a solid NHL player in time.

At 7OA I want more upside, but that's in the past, and like I said yesterday, my best center after Andersson in that round is Chytil. We got him anyway.

At the eve of the 2017 draft I don't think the NYR brass was expecting sending "the letter" 9 months letter. Having a hope for Lias making a difference in the playoffs on a 3. line in his D+2 year on an ELC was more tempting for some in the FO the getting a project that would need say 3 years of college and a year in the AHL before being a average 1. liner 5 years down the road.

Now in hindsight seeing we most likely are going nowhere this year we maybe should have gone for the project pick.

 

[Machinehead]

At the eve of the 2017 draft I don't think the NYR brass was expecting sending "the letter" 9 months letter. Having a hope for Lias making a difference in the playoffs on a 3. line in his D+2 year on an ELC was more tempting for some in the FO the getting a project that would need say 3 years of college and a year in the AHL before being a average 1. liner 5 years down the road.

Now in hindsight seeing we most likely are going nowhere this year we maybe should have gone for the project pick.

That was in that two year period where we were rebuilding (once we trade Stepan, it's a rebuild) but Gorton didn't want to commit to it and half-assed it.

Gorton has been much more effective since the letter.

Either compete or rebuild. You can't do both, unless you're the Yankees and have limitless resources.

 

[Edge]

Which begs the question, where did this narrative come from?
I have three draft guides from 2017 and none of them (including the one that had Lias 7th) talks about him being NHL ready. I just did a board search and found another scouting report which talks about him needing some more time. Even in his thread on the prospects board there was only one poster who mentioned that he's "AHL if not NHL ready".

Without doing a proper search, my gut reaction is to say that it was primarily the local coverage --- namely Brooks.

I don't remember if it was a McKenzie/TSN talking point as well.

But don't quote me on the former.

 

[eco's bones]

I didn't really expect that Lias was going to put up a lot of offense on our 4th line especially with the minutes he's getting so......

To me he can play at the NHL level--no problem right now but the production is going to lag behind but he's 20 years old and he's a player with a lot of intangibles. There may be others in his draft class who produce more but most of them are not going to have the complete game that he's already pretty much put together. He is a bit like Chris Drury.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I know the prevailing narrative was that we weren't rebuilding and thus drafted him bc they thought he was most NHL ready, but is there actual comments to back that up?

Even if Gorton said "We loved Lias, and we feel he's ready to contribute quickly" - that doesn't mean they had him even with a couple other guys but took him solely bc they wanted him to play right away and step in the lineup.

 

[haveandare]

We just saw with Chytil. Him not scoring on the 4th line doesn't mean he can't score at this level or isn't learning anything. Chytil put in some time getting the same type of minutes Lias is now and when he got bumped up he looked prepared and has been very good. Lias will have the same happen to him. Patience.

 

[True Blue]

He is a bit like Chris Drury.

Which there is NOTHING wrong with. A 2nd line center for most of his career who could play in any situation and was a leader.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

If Lias turned into Drury he would be worth the 7OA but I don't see that tenacity yet. Those non observable skills or intangibles as you call them are harder to gauge outside of context. And he doesn't have the experience yet or the playing time to really showcase them I guess. But if you say he is a Drury then yeah I won't bitch. All said, it depends on who we passed on. There is no Tarasenko to whip ala poor McIlrath with this time except maybe his own teammate Chytil and the Tarasenko of his draft was picked one spot ahead of him [Pettersson].

 

[Edge]

There’s a certain irony in the fact that we are passionately debating the merits of a pair of 19/20 year old kids who succeeded as a pros prior to making their NHL debut, less than 18 months after being drafted.

It feels like only yesterday we were enhaling deeply when kids seemed to be sputtering out in their D+1/D+2 seasons, to say nothing of them being eased into the NHL.

I’d say we’ve moved the needle pretty far since those days.

 

[UnSandvich]

Butt Goal Alert!

 

[E-Train]

and the Tarasenko of his draft was picked one spot ahead of him [Pettersson].

2 spots ahead. Cody Glass went 6th.

 

[Kocur Dill]

If you were NYR and had the 7th pick in 2017 with the advantage of retrospect who would you take having picks 1-6 already fallen where they did?

Tolvanen?
Mittlestad?
Necas?
Liljegren? Who was considered very high and many teams passed.

Nobody knows how NYR ranked those kids that fell behind Lias regardless of the shape our team was in at the time and his perceived readiness.

Those are the only 4 that tickle my fancy, maybe Tippet, but none blow me away. If anything, and who can predict offensive production, Lias had so many more qualities than those players. If Clark & Co. had a check list on a clipboard and 2 minutes to go I'd place money on Lias have more boxes checked than anyone picked after him given the rhetoric that has come out of the mouths of anyone wearing a suit & tie in the NYR Organization the past 3 years.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

If you were NYR and had the 7th pick in 2017 with the advantage of retrospect who would you take having picks 1-6 already fallen where they did?

Tolvanen?
Mittlestad?
Necas?
Liljegren? Who was considered very high and many teams passed.

Nobody knows how NYR ranked those kids that fell behind Lias regardless of the shape our team was in at the time and his perceived readiness.

Those are the only 4 that tickle my fancy, maybe Tippet, but none blow me away. If anything, and who can predict offensive production, Lias had so many more qualities than those players. If Clark & Co. had a check list on a clipboard and 2 minutes to go I'd place money on Lias have more boxes checked than anyone picked after him given the rhetoric that has come out of the mouths of anyone wearing a suit & tie in the NYR Organization the past 3 years.

Andersson, they go Andersson

 

[Algernop Kreider]

If you were NYR and had the 7th pick in 2017 with the advantage of retrospect who would you take having picks 1-6 already fallen where they did?

Tolvanen?
Mittlestad?
Necas?
Liljegren? Who was considered very high and many teams passed.

Nobody knows how NYR ranked those kids that fell behind Lias regardless of the shape our team was in at the time and his perceived readiness.

Those are the only 4 that tickle my fancy, maybe Tippet, but none blow me away. If anything, and who can predict offensive production, Lias had so many more qualities than those players. If Clark & Co. had a check list on a clipboard and 2 minutes to go I'd place money on Lias have more boxes checked than anyone picked after him given the rhetoric that has come out of the mouths of anyone wearing a suit & tie in the NYR Organization the past 3 years.

I won't pretend to be intimately familiar with Tolvanen's and Necas' play this season, but it's worth noting that Lias has outproduced both.

 

[Kocur Dill]

That's all I'm saying.

10 years down the road. Looking back. More likely then not, NYR made the right pick.

 

[offdacrossbar]

its time to give this kid more minutes with swift wingers.

if given minutes, this kid will produce.

time to give him the chance quinn.

 

[Profet]

its time to give this kid more minutes with swift wingers.

if given minutes, this kid will produce.

time to give him the chance quinn.

The problem with giving him more time is that it comes at the expense of Hayes. We need to keep showcasing Hayes, and honestly, we probably need to move him as soon as a 1st + prospect is offered. Only after Hayes is moved will we see Lias get more time.

 

[will1066]

its time to give this kid more minutes with swift wingers.

if given minutes, this kid will produce.

time to give him the chance quinn.

When Buch returns from injury, I could see him slotted into the fourth line with Lias, as Quinn slowly breaks Buch back in.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Do you really expect Lias to still be on the fourth line then?

 

[offdacrossbar]

with mclord out, quinn needs to have 2 3rd lines.

give lias more minutes and some more talent on the edge.

let the kid play

 

[Ghost of jas]

its time to give this kid more minutes with swift wingers.

if given minutes, this kid will produce.

time to give him the chance quinn.

That will happen when Hayes gets dealt.

 

[Edge]

That will happen when Hayes gets dealt.

I actually wouldn't mind giving Andersson more looks on the wing in the meantime.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I'd play him on Mika's wing instead of Fast

 

[Ghost of jas]

I actually wouldn't mind giving Andersson more looks on the wing in the meantime.

On Mika’s LW, with Buchnevich on RW when he gets back. Eventually I’m seeing him with Howden.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Do you really expect Lias to still be on the fourth line then?

Quinn can deploy the "4th" line as a 3b. It's all about minutes and deployments.

If he's going to use the 4th line with limited minutes then he needs to try and get Lias some shifts up the lineup. Try him at wing. The kid is a hard nosed player who can effectively be a 4th line center BUT he can clearly be more than that, even right now. You see flashes of his skill every game but nothing usually comes of it bc of his linemates so plays don't develop other than some grinding shifts.