Player Discussion Lias Andersson

[Thordic]

Which there is NOTHING wrong with. A 2nd line center for most of his career who could play in any situation and was a leader.

Drury was a hell of a player. He was a bit broken down when he came to NY but still busted his ass. His play in Colorado and Buffalo was great. If we can look back at Lias in 20 years and compare him to Drury I'm ecstatic.

 

[True Blue]

Drury was a hell of a player. He was a bit broken down when he came to NY but still busted his ass. His play in Colorado and Buffalo was great. If we can look back at Lias in 20 years and compare him to Drury I'm ecstatic.

Exactly. I would do backflips if Lias was Drury 2.0.

I just feel that people are too quick to judge. People are forgetting the ages of some of these players. Anderssson is only 20 having spent little time in the AHL. Being enamored of a Laine is all good, but those players are few and far between.

 

[Edge]

Exactly. I would do backflips if Lias was Drury 2.0.

I just feel that people are too quick to judge. People are forgetting the ages of some of these players. Anderssson is only 20 having spent little time in the AHL. Being enamored of a Laine is all good, but those players are few and far between.

Frankly, it also speaks to the difference in talent that is often available at 2 or 3, as opposed to 7.

That's not to say it can't happen, but it wasn't happening in 2017. If teams saw it as a possibility, we're not picking in that spot (and acquiring ADA) for Stepan and Raanta.

In 2018, finding that player at 7 is possibly on the radar. Ditto for 2019.

I continue to maintain that we don't really view Andersson as a 7th pick, we almost view him by the standards of a top 3 pick or a top 5 pick. In some ways, the worst narrative out there for Andersson was the belief that he was closer to the NHL. That shifted the perspective for some people, changed expectations, and it's been a street fight ever since.

 

[True Blue]

I continue to maintain that we don't really view Andersson as a 7th pick, we almost view him by the standards of a top 3 pick or a top 5 pick. In some ways, the worst narrative out there for Andersson was the belief that he was closer to the NHL. That shifted the perspective for some people, changed expectations, and it's been a street fight ever since.

Spot on.

Look at this year's draft. Let's for arguments sake say that the Rangers get the 7th overall and take a Boldy. People will view what a Hughes or Kakko is doing and wonder why Boldy is (probably) not doing the same. And then the conversations will start that he is more of a 3rd line player, etc...

 

[Edge]

Spot on.

Look at this year's draft. Let's for arguments sake say that the Rangers get the 7th overall and take a Boldy. People will view what a Hughes or Kakko is doing and wonder why Boldy is (probably) not doing the same. And then the conversations will start that he is more of a 3rd line player, etc...

There's also a weird element where we seem to focus less on what Andersson is actually doing, and more on how he looks doing it.

There's no arguing against the SHL production. People finally gave up on that.

There's no arguing against the AHL production. People finally gave up on that.

So now we've moved on the NHL production. The kid has played 18 NHL games to this point and has roughly scored at a 9 goal/18 point pace as a fourth line player, playing roughly 11 minutes per night, while being a teenager/barely 20 years old.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

There's also a weird element where we seem to focus less on what Andersson is actually doing, and more on how he looks doing it.

There's no arguing against the SHL production. People finally gave up on that.

There's no arguing against the AHL production. People finally gave up on that.

So now we've moved on the NHL production. The kid has played 18 NHL games to this point and has roughly scored at a 9 goal/18 point pace as a fourth line player, playing roughly 11 minutes per night, while being a teenager/barely 20 years old.

It's pretty obvious anyone giving up on Lias, or pigeonholing him as a future 4th line NHL player knows little to nothing about hockey development.

The issue of icetime, as it was with Chytil, is also extremely blown out of context. There is really no problem giving a young player 10-12 minutes of ice-time until he shows he's ready for more responsibility. This concept that it's destroying his development is asinine and without basis.

 

[NY Lito]

It's pretty obvious anyone giving up on Lias, or pigeonholing him as a future 4th line NHL player knows little to nothing about hockey development.

The issue of icetime, as it was with Chytil, is also extremely blown out of context. There is really no problem giving a young player 10-12 minutes of ice-time until he shows he's ready for more responsibility. This concept that it's destroying his development is asinine and without basis.

No, no, no. Quinn is RUINING Lias....

God I hate this board sometimes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I actually wouldn't mind giving Andersson more looks on the wing in the meantime.

He played with Zib and Rakell at the EHT in Pardubice last April and looked pretty good. I've been saying it for weeks now. Give Lias a chance with Zib and Kreider

 

[offdacrossbar]

give lias some prime time with some talent and he will produce.

hes a gamer.

kids been given nothing so far and its his fault ?

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Quinn can deploy the "4th" line as a 3b. It's all about minutes and deployments.

If he's going to use the 4th line with limited minutes then he needs to try and get Lias some shifts up the lineup. Try him at wing. The kid is a hard nosed player who can effectively be a 4th line center BUT he can clearly be more than that, even right now. You see flashes of his skill every game but nothing usually comes of it bc of his linemates so plays don't develop other than some grinding shifts.

Yeah and I can boogie with that idea but I feel like he's going to be shifted back up before that.

 

[Rongomania]

give lias some prime time with some talent and he will produce.

hes a gamer.

kids been given nothing so far and its his fault ?

Exactly. That goal found him last night. Give him time. As you said, total gamer. I still think they’re waiting for some trades and then Lias gets pushed up, just have a feeling that’s been the plan.

 

[NY Lito]

Exactly. That goal found him last night. Give him time. As you said, total gamer. I still think they’re waiting for some trades and then Lias gets pushed up, just have a feeling that’s been the plan.

No. That makes way too much sense.

Lias is a bust whose miniscule potential is being DESTROYED by Quinn on the fourth line.

 

[smoneil]

Another issue here is that I think they 100% view Lias as a center (whereas they seem at least willing to look at Chytil as a C/W). Unfortunately, the roster right now is devoid of wingers. Buch is hurt. Zucc is hurt and wasn't playing all that great before then. Who do we have? Kreider and? There's a big drop off after Kreids with a bunch of guys who are 3rd/4th line caliber (Vesey, Names, Strome, Fast and a bunch of grinders/kids). Quinn still wants to win games, so Zib and Hayes need some talent on their wings. Howden has shown well, and we want him to develop as well. We just don't have the quality at wing to put quality with all of our centers. Even if everyone were healthy, and Zucc was playing like he used to, AND Chytil was viewed as a wing, this team still only has four guys I'm comfortable thinking of as top six wingers.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Like to see LA get some time on Zib's line.

 

[Kovalev27]

He played with Zib and Rakell at the EHT in Pardubice last April and looked pretty good. I've been saying it for weeks now. Give Lias a chance with Zib and Kreider

They absolutely should be trying him with Mika right now.

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't worry about Lias. He can "languish" in the bottom six until the TDL. Let him learn to bang around and work hard and learn the ropes of playing a full NHL season. He's NHL-ready, and while it would be great to see him in a big role, he can still learn things and contribute playing with lesser players like Fogarty, Strome, Gettinger, McLeod, Nieves or whoever else comes up, etc. He's not being wasted. You can learn from those tough minutes and from practice and from watching the play unfold before you on the bench.

And then, at the TDL or whenever they're ready to give him a bigger role, he can open it up and build on what he's learned to that point. The great thing about Lias is that he's very smart, his instincts are great--he's got a nose for the goal and impeccable timing. Those aren't things that are lost by spending two-thirds of a season playing a lesser role.

So, if they move him up now, awesome. If not, he'll be completely fine. What he's doing now will help him in the long run.

 

[Edge]

I don't worry about Lias. He can "languish" in the bottom six until the TDL. Let him learn to bang around and work hard and learn the ropes of playing a full NHL season. He's NHL-ready, and while it would be great to see him in a big role, he can still learn things and contribute playing with lesser players like Fogarty, Strome, Gettinger, McLeod, Nieves or whoever else comes up, etc. He's not being wasted. You can learn from those tough minutes and from practice and from watching the play unfold before you on the bench.

And then, at the TDL or whenever they're ready to give him a bigger role, he can open it up and build on what he's learned to that point. The great thing about Lias is that he's very smart, his instincts are great--he's got a nose for the goal and impeccable timing. Those aren't things that are lost by spending two-thirds of a season playing a lesser role.

So, if they move him up now, awesome. If not, he'll be completely fine. What he's doing now will help him in the long run.

Some guys can be brought along by working their way up lines, for other guys it's a bit of a detriment. Personally, for his style of game, I don't think it would hurt Andersson at all. It would just require fans to understand that there are not going to be any earth-shattering numbers posted next to his name either.

 

[nyr2k2]

Some guys can be brought along by working their way up lines, for other guys it's a bit of a detriment. Personally, for his style of game, I don't think it would hurt Andersson at all. It would just require fans to understand that there are not going to be any earth-shattering numbers posted next to his name either.

Exactly. Like a pure-skill guy who needs to play fast hockey and maybe shies away from the tough stuff, you don't want to stick them with meat-and-potatoes-type guys on the third or fourth line. Don't stifle their game, their natural creativity. Lias is going to be a utility 2C, a Michael Peca or Chris Drury. I think it's good that he's grinding it out taking tough shifts with the bottom six. The stuff he's doing there, that's part of his game. And it's not going to suddenly make his instinct and his smarts disappear. He'll be fine.

 

[NYR Viper]

Exactly. Like a pure-skill guy who needs to play fast hockey and maybe shies away from the tough stuff, you don't want to stick them with meat-and-potatoes-type guys on the third or fourth line. Don't stifle their game, their natural creativity. Lias is going to be a utility 2C, a Michael Peca or Chris Drury. I think it's good that he's grinding it out taking tough shifts with the bottom six. The stuff he's doing there, that's part of his game. And it's not going to suddenly make his instinct and his smarts disappear. He'll be fine.

I think that is a the big difference between Chytil and Andersson. No negative or positive in either direction, just their styles of play

 

[Edge]

I think that is a the big difference between Chytil and Andersson. No negative or positive in either direction, just their styles of play

Very big difference.

Forever linked by being selected in the same year and both being listed as centers by the Rangers at the time.

@Amazing Kreiderman may have mentioned it, but the concept of Chytil as a center is really one that's been pushed a little more heavily by the Rangers. He played a lot of wing prior to being drafted, and at the time of his selection most observers commented on the uncertainty as to whether he would play at center or on the wing.

The Rangers, for their part, pursued the center option almost immediately. Until recently, that was the approach they stuck with. But the idea of Chytil on the wings really isn't anything new. It spans two continents and close to two years at this point.

 

[NYR Viper]

Very big difference.

Forever linked by being selected in the same year and both being listed as centers by the Rangers at the time.

@Amazing Kreiderman may have mentioned it, but the concept of Chytil as a center is really one that's been pushed a little more heavily by the Rangers. He played a lot of wing prior to being drafted and at the time of his selection, most observers commented on the uncertainty as to whether he would play at center or on the wing.

The Rangers, for their part, pursued the center option almost immediately. Until recently, that was the approach they stuck with. But the idea of Chytil on the wings really isn't anything new. It spans two continents and close to two years at this point.

From someone who follows prospects ever so slightly, it would seem like Kravtsov's game projects to the center ice position better than someone like Chytil. That's based on my limited viewings and reports I've read. And yet we hear Chytil projected as a center and Kravtsov as a winger.

 

[Edge]

From someone who follows prospects ever so slightly, it would seem like Kravtsov's game projects to the center ice position better than someone like Chytil. That's based on my limited viewings and reports I've read. And yet we hear Chytil projected as a center and Kravtsov as a winger.

And Chytil may very well end up at center, that's not off the table by any reasonable imagination at this point.

But it's not a certainty and certainly not the only path forward.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

From someone who follows prospects ever so slightly, it would seem like Kravtsov's game projects to the center ice position better than someone like Chytil. That's based on my limited viewings and reports I've read. And yet we hear Chytil projected as a center and Kravtsov as a winger.

As someone who followed both Kravtsov and Chytil before they were drafted, I can confirm that Kravtsov has more experience at center. I live in Vienna. I travel all over Europe because I f***ing love this game. I've seen Kravtsov in the VHL. I've seen Chytil in the EL.

Chytil is a winger.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

If you were NYR and had the 7th pick in 2017 with the advantage of retrospect who would you take having picks 1-6 already fallen where they did?

Tolvanen?
Mittlestad?
Necas?
Liljegren? Who was considered very high and many teams passed.

Nobody knows how NYR ranked those kids that fell behind Lias regardless of the shape our team was in at the time and his perceived readiness.

Those are the only 4 that tickle my fancy, maybe Tippet, but none blow me away. If anything, and who can predict offensive production, Lias had so many more qualities than those players. If Clark & Co. had a check list on a clipboard and 2 minutes to go I'd place money on Lias have more boxes checked than anyone picked after him given the rhetoric that has come out of the mouths of anyone wearing a suit & tie in the NYR Organization the past 3 years.

I would have gone Erik Brännström on draft day, i'd go Brännström with hindsight aswell…

I like Lias though, he'll do just fine for us

 

[Kocur Dill]

I actually wouldn't mind giving Andersson more looks on the wing in the meantime.

On Mika’s LW, with Buchnevich on RW when he gets back. Eventually I’m seeing him with Howden.

I mean, Hull didn't center Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

Would it be a bad thing to have an: Andersson - Chytil - Zuccarello line?

I know I'm treading on dangerous ground throwing those names out there.