Lias has an excellent shot and atleast good hands, not sure what ur watching. His best comparable imo is Alex Steen.
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Great post and I agree for sure.
I've said this many times, what is "potential"? Everyone don't have potential, but flash and dash guys don't necessarily have more potential than guys with other attributes.
Pavel Buchnevich
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About the person asking about Hischier vs. Andersson, Andersson isn't as talented as Hischier, but I never regarded Hischier as a 1OA player. I don't think I had him any higher than 5th on any of my rankings. I think he was way overdrafted, and overhyped due to playing in the CHL.
Could Andersson be better? Sure, its possible. I'd still say Hischier will likely be better, but I never believed Hischier was as good as some advertised.
Could Andersson be better? Sure, its possible. I'd still say Hischier will likely be better, but I never believed Hischier was as good as some advertised.
HatTrick Swayze
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PlamsUnlimited
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I wasn't really on board with the pick early on (it wasn't because of LA it was just because I was sour with the other teams picking the players I was pining for Gorts and co to pick) but I'm kind of excited to have an inside the top 10 guy possibly play for our team and show some good talent in the near future. I got to watch some of the Sweden games and he looked pretty good
Glen Sathers Cigar
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The release on his shot is fantastic. Not sure how you don't see that just from watching his highlights alone. He has an ability to get a high velocity wrister off deceptively. Not saying it's elite, but using that term is arbitrary anyway. All I know is his shot is damn good and gets off with a lot of velocity and seems to trick goalies. Having a deceptive release is a big part of being able to score on professional goalies, just look at what Kucherov has done to Hank ever since the 2015 ECF. I'm convinced that Hank just can't read Kucherov's shot because of his release.
"Hands" is the most overrated skill...or at least it seems like it's never applied correctly. Unless you're absolutely bar none one of the top stick handlers in the entire league then it doesn't realllllly matter how sick your dangles are because almost all of the defensemen in the NHL are good enough to not get beaten by you 95% of the time. Hands that let you control the puck along the boards or position yourself well with the puck in traffic are far better than any dangles for the vast majority of players.
JT Miller has fantastic hands. He rarely gets to use them to beat guys one on one. Rick Nash actually probably has some of the best and most useful hands in the league in terms of being able to control the puck in close and make moves to the net with control, but he's not a usual player.
I think my point is that you want a player who can hang onto the puck under pressure and make plays from there, which Andersson so far seems to be able to do. Dangling other players into submission is rare enough in the NHL that it's not really high on my list of "must haves".
JT Miller has fantastic hands. He rarely gets to use them to beat guys one on one. Rick Nash actually probably has some of the best and most useful hands in the league in terms of being able to control the puck in close and make moves to the net with control, but he's not a usual player.
I think my point is that you want a player who can hang onto the puck under pressure and make plays from there, which Andersson so far seems to be able to do. Dangling other players into submission is rare enough in the NHL that it's not really high on my list of "must haves".
I think Forsberg is another guy who has a deceptive shot with the way he shoots it and gets a lot of velocity on a deceptive release. It's not "Ovechkin" elite but there's something just unusual enough about how he whips it at the net that it's harder to stop. Is it elite? Is it just unusual? I don't know, as you say they're kind of arbitrary definitions.
HatTrick Swayze
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I assume you are responding to me and you are reading a ton into what my definition of "hands" is, I actually agree with most of your point (disagree with the Miller bit, he frequently beats players 1v1). I'm not looking for flashy dangles I am looking for shiftiness specifically the ability to rapidly change angles on passes and shots. A player like Getzlaf basically built his entire career on that skill. Andersson to me is extremely stiff with the puck. People can disagree with me, I certainly haven't seen him as much as some on here. But when I combine my glimpses with every analyst on the planet not projecting him as a super skilled guy or a high upside guy I don't think it's a crazy stretch. I know everyone wants to believe and I can appreciate that.
Your post made it sound like his shot and hands are bad, neither you or me mentioned the word "elite", don't move the posts.
He's got a very good shot for his draft class and his hands are good too, not elite but good/very good. He's got a better shot then any of the other available C's at #7.
offdacrossbar
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2 types of skilled players.
a guy who gets everything out of the skill he has by using smarts, intuitiveness and high effort all the time. not the most talented and certainly not elite in any one area, but a winner who produces.
then theres the elite guy. skating, size, speed and ability to change games by himself. the guy who everyone says is a "freak of nature". but this guy leaves you wanting more and expecting, over time, less and less.
one of these is lias andersson.
the other chris kreider.
a guy who gets everything out of the skill he has by using smarts, intuitiveness and high effort all the time. not the most talented and certainly not elite in any one area, but a winner who produces.
then theres the elite guy. skating, size, speed and ability to change games by himself. the guy who everyone says is a "freak of nature". but this guy leaves you wanting more and expecting, over time, less and less.
one of these is lias andersson.
the other chris kreider.
Was kind of just building off the idea when you mentioned hands. Also had a few beers.
I haven't seen enough of him myself to really form a strong opinion. It'll be interesting to see more of him and how he does against NHL players in training camp/preseason
I think people overrate the crap out of Kreider's abilities to be honest.
He has fantastic physical abilities, sure. Big, strong, fast, etc. But his hockey skills aren't elite or anything. He has a very strong shot but it's not elite (not super accurate, not super deceptive, etc). His hands are solid but not remarkable, he's not a playmaker, etc.
He's not an elite player who just isn't playing up to his ability, he's a good player with some standout physical traits
LeetchisGod
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I agree with this assessment. I would add that his stickhandling is probably his weakest skill. It really hampers him on breakaways.
silverfish
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If you're still disappointed in Kreider, that's a you problem, not a Kreider problem. Dude was absolutely dominant last year.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Oh and yeah I'm not disappointed in him. He's a very good player who really brings some needed traits to the team. Sure I'd love it if he could be more consistent all year long but I'm always of the opinion that the majority of NHL players are inconsistent throughout the season. Even superstars go through some slumps during a season.
It'd be fun if he played meaner more often though
Thordic
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Other teams wanting him means almost nothing. The below has nothing to do with Andersson, as I have no problems with the pick, but I just disagree with people using the quoted argument to defend any pick.
It was well documented that Dallas wanted McIlrath at 11. We drafted him at 10. NYR and Dallas were both wrong.
Philly wanted Sanguinetti so bad at 22 that when we drafted him at 21, they didn't even remember Giroux's name. Clearly we were both wrong there as well.
In 2012, I think all 30 teams would have likely picked Yakupov at #1. Clearly consensus at the draft often has nothing to do with how players develop after the draft. People frequently use it to defend picks (I've been guilty of this myself) but time shows that it's rarely an indicator of future success.
silverfish
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The "consistency" that people seek from Kreider exists nowhere in the NHL outside of the "generational" players like McDavid and Crosby.
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There's people disappointed in Kreider because they overrated him to be this elite, domiante, 1st line winger, and then there's people disappointed in Kreider because of his brain dead, inconsistent play.
People need to accept and get over that Kreider was never going to be this franchise/elite winger. He never showed that talent at any level. However, if you watched last season and thought Kreider was dominate all season, I'm not sure what season you were watching. He had a much better season but it was still filled with a lot of inconsistent play, and while at times he dominated shifts, far too often he still looked lost and invisible.
Kreider is a much better player than I ever thought he'd turn out to be, but I'd be lying if I said he's not frustrating and disappointing to watch.
This is exactly how I feel about Kreider. He has all the talent in the world but sometimes I feel like he isn't as engaged as he should be, just like in the Ottawa series where he started playing like a superstar in the last period of Game 6. Maybe it can be tough criticism, but I feel like he is more than capable of reaching a whole different level than the one he's currently at.
LeetchisGod
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I think his mental game isn't where it needs to be. He played like a deer in headlights in the Montreal series. All the running Price talk obviously got to him.
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