GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Lempo]

I get why it's there, I just think it's silly because teams put themselves in cap trouble all the time and have to find a way out WITHOUT arbitration issues. And probably 95% of the time the cap of these arbitration players isn't going to amount to enough to cause a cap problem (without the team having already screwed themselves over basically). Plus they're currently/already cap-compliant after Noah Cates situation has been taken care of. It just seems silly to me to have a guy making 3% of the cap allows a team to get out of (at least partially) a boat anchor contract

Yes. It is what it is. I think the magical difference is that when a player files for arbitration, that is not a case of the team putting themselves in cap trouble but an RFA using his CBA-given right.

 

[DaveG]

I mean, we're basically a Brett Pesce (or Brady Skjei) trade away from having said hole in our top 6, something that has been rumored as in the works for a while now so that's REALLY not saying much other than "don't expect us to sign him immediately after he clears".

 

[Lempo]

Gold pours some cold water on TDA back to CAR, immediately at least:



I’m not really buying that though. If they can sign him tomorrow for 1.5-2M for 1yr, why wouldn’t they?

I think signing TDA now for peanuts would bring another league investigation on circumvention upon Canes. If we are to sign Tony, the optics have to be we didn't plan this with PHI and he needs to simmer as a free agent available for anyone to sign for x time.

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean, we're basically a Brett Pesce (or Brady Skjei) trade away from having said hole in our top 6, something that has been rumored as in the works for a while now so that's REALLY not saying much other than "don't expect us to sign him immediately after he clears".

I mean yes......

Unless we get EK

 

[Stickpucker]

Now the Flyers have a retention slot open for use with TK...

 

[Lempo]

Now the Flyers have a retention slot open for use with TK...

"... HO-HO-HO."

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[A Star is Burns]

Maybe this "undisclosed incident" is why the Canes haven't acted yet:

Is this being reported by anyone that isn't making their first Tweet in weeks? Just makes me question how connected they are. Also, the second time in three seasons thing seems a bit odd in this context given how long he's been there. Not that I'd be surprised if he did something dumb.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Is this being reported by anyone that isn't making their first Tweet in weeks? Just makes me question how connected they are. Also, the second time in three seasons thing seems a bit odd in this context given how long he's been there. Not that I'd be surprised if he did something dumb.

They might just be referring to the end of the season where Torts benched him for 5 straight games due to an "undisclosed incident", which was referred to as a "personal issue off the ice". That might have been the "last straw" where they decided he was gone one way or another.

 

[A Star is Burns]

They might just be referring to the end of the season where Torts benched him for 5 straight games due to an "undisclosed incident", which was referred to as a "personal issue off the ice". That might have been the "last straw" where they decided he was gone one way or another.

That would still seem like a weird way to frame it, but plausible I suppose.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That would still seem like a weird way to frame it, but plausible I suppose.

True, but from what I can tell, that report (Torts revealing why) only came out 2 weeks ago, even though the event was a couple months ago.

John Tortorella Reveals The Reason as to Why Tony DeAngelo Was Benched For 5 Straight Games

Torts speaks out!

www.flyersinsider.com

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

LOL. So Philly will buy him out and Tony will get $3.33M of his remaining $5M.

How much you want to bet that after he's bought out, Carolina signs him for $1M-$1.7M?

We get draft picks for trading Tony, a lower cap hit (than PHI retaining 50%) to get him back, and keep Rizzo.

Thank the NHL for not letting the trade go through lol. Feel bad for Flyers fans. No wait I don’t

 

[ndp]

I agree about the agitation, but from what I can see, he's a net negative overall the last couple of years in that regard and a slight positive when he was in NY.

Last year: 18 games with Philly: 1 penalty drawn, 5 taken (3 minor)
Last 3 years with LA: 95 games: 41 penalties drawn, 50 taken (32 minor)
2018-2021 with NYR: 109 games: 60 penalties drawn, 56 taken (37 minor)

I don't have the details from NHL.com as to what the breakout is in the "penalties drawn" category.

Funny how the penalty differential flips when not playing for NYR. Didn’t Trocheck’s PIM magically take a dip as soon as he was a Ranger as well.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Man, this shit is just hilarious.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Funny how the penalty differential flips when not playing for NYR. Didn’t Trocheck’s PIM magically take a dip as soon as he was a Ranger as well.

Style of play probably has some to do with that. LA plays a similar style to Carolina. Aggressive forecheck and hound the puck all over the ice. Canes get a lot of penalties because of that style because they are always hounding the puck, thus more opportunity to take holding, hooking and tripping penalties. Even so, Canes were middle of the pack for minor penalties taken last year with 15. LA was 9th.

Rangers don't play that style at all. They are almost passive in their approach and want to "counter-attack" with their skilled players. NJ is similar and both those teams were near the bottom of the league in minor penalties taken.

Seems reasonable to me given the styles the teams play. Rod's team probably doesn't get the benefit of the doubt either based how he reacts at times.

 

[Svechhammer]

I legitimately cannot wait for the whiplash that will hit social media if we sign him shortly after he clears waivers after I'm seeing all the relief and celebration over the trade not happening

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

I legitimately cannot wait for the whiplash that will hit social media if we sign him shortly after he clears waivers after I'm seeing all the relief and celebration over the trade not happening

 

[Lempo]

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I watched this episode just yesterday.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Style of play probably has some to do with that. LA plays a similar style to Carolina. Aggressive forecheck and hound the puck all over the ice. Canes get a lot of penalties because of that style because they are always hounding the puck, thus more opportunity to take holding, hooking and tripping penalties. Even so, Canes were middle of the pack for minor penalties taken last year with 15. LA was 9th.

Rangers don't play that style at all. They are almost passive in their approach and want to "counter-attack" with their skilled players. NJ is similar and both those teams were near the bottom of the league in minor penalties taken.

Seems reasonable to me given the styles the teams play. Rod's team probably doesn't get the benefit of the doubt either based how he reacts at times.

Seems counter-intuitive, you'd think the team hounding the puck would draw more because they're always on the puck and the other team needs to draw them off? I think that's more just a rationalization when the reality is you can watch some teams get away with murder constantly and others get called for minor "letter of the law" infractions.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I am curious about how the Karlsson and DeAngelo situations iron themselves out. Personally, although Carolina has the better farm by far, Carolina has a total lack of albatross cap hits which can be used to up the asset package. I will say that the most valuable possible asset that San Jose could possibly receive is the second Pittsburgh 1st in 2025 or 2026. It's very possible, maybe even likely, that most of the Pens' core completely falls off the cliff by that time, making that potential asset extremely lucrative, and unlike the Canes, Pittsburgh has several bad contracts on the books, which San Jose can use as leverage to attain said 1st. For those reasons, I am increasingly thinking that the Pens are the most likely to acquire Karlsson this month.

 

[LakeLivin]

Anyone live near Borsig? Someone should probably check on him to make sure he's okay.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Seems counter-intuitive, you'd think the team hounding the puck would draw more because they're always on the puck and the other team needs to draw them off?

I disagree. When you are aggressive and play tight gaps, you are more susceptible to hooking, holding and tripping penalties. You are many times chasing a guy from behind but still going after him. You also probably get a larger share of questionable calls because you are on a guy so I can see that aspect also contributing. We're engaging players of other teams more often and thus are in a position to have more penalties. Our man to man approach in the zone as well.

I think that's more just a rationalization when the reality is you can watch some teams get away with murder constantly and others get called for minor "letter of the law" infractions.

Yeah, the old "my team is the victim of a conspiracy theory" approach. It's fun to talk about, but it doesn't hold a lot of water to me.

Case in point: from 15/16 when Bill Peters was in charge, the team played a possession game but the weren't nearly as aggressive on the forecheck, weren't as physical, nor did the D pinch as aggressively or play as tight gaps. During that time Carolina had the LEAST number of penalties called against them in the NHL by a large margin. 706 taken, 817 drawn. the next closest team in penalties take was Chicago with 803, so Canes had almost 100 less!

The very first season RBA took over, and the style changed to the more aggressive style, the team jumped from by far the lowest to the 17th most (and they were 15th most this season, so a similar ranking).

If you want to believe is some conspiracy theory, that's fine, it's what fans of all teams do, but the data shows me that it's linked to how they play because it changed as soon as RBA took over. No doubt some players (Svech for instance) don't get the benefit of the doubt and RBA, because of all his screaming probably doesn't either, but the change occurred right away after Rod took over, even before Svech or Rod had a reputation.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Seems counter-intuitive, you'd think the team hounding the puck would draw more because they're always on the puck and the other team needs to draw them off? I think that's more just a rationalization when the reality is you can watch some teams get away with murder constantly and others get called for minor "letter of the law" infractions.

I'm not sure how it seems counter-intuitive. Seems like most penalties are going to be called for infractions against a puck carrier. If one team is constantly working the guy with the puck up and down the ice and another is passive wating for counter attack and not pressuring the puck carrier, which do you think is more likely to take a penalty?

 

[DaveG]

I legitimately cannot wait for the whiplash that will hit social media if we sign him shortly after he clears waivers after I'm seeing all the relief and celebration over the trade not happening

not quite my tempo:

 

[Chrispy]

Anyone live near Borsig? Someone should probably check on him to make sure he's okay.

Plot twist: Tony DeAngelo is in trouble for shooting a different gator.