GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Daeavorn]

Sooo do you guys think that NHL has told the teams to hold any trades and signings until the near future day when the league really, really wants some happy hockey news to drown some other hockey-related news topic?

i think you may be on to something here

 

[Chrispy]

Sooo do you guys think that NHL has told the teams to hold any trades and signings until the near future day when the league really, really wants some happy hockey news to drown some other hockey-related news topic?

We need some happy hockey news.

Carolina: Operation DeAngelo.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I really don't think it's much of a deterrent. NYR had Trouba and it didn't stop Tom Wilson from body slamming Planarian and running others.

Don't get me wrong, I do think he adds something we've lacked so I agree with that, I just don't think it will be as much of a deterrent or make it easier for our guys to operate. Trouba is going to make that hit on Jarvis with, or without Lemieux on the team.

Deterrence does not exist.

Agitation does exist and can be quantified. If he draws more penalties than he takes without being a disadvantage otherwise, he's fine.

 

[AD Skinner]

Mutually assured douchebaggery

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Deterrence does not exist.

Agitation does exist and can be quantified. If he draws more penalties than he takes without being a disadvantage otherwise, he's fine.

I agree about the agitation, but from what I can see, he's a net negative overall the last couple of years in that regard and a slight positive when he was in NY.

Last year: 18 games with Philly: 1 penalty drawn, 5 taken (3 minor)
Last 3 years with LA: 95 games: 41 penalties drawn, 50 taken (32 minor)
2018-2021 with NYR: 109 games: 60 penalties drawn, 56 taken (37 minor)

I don't have the details from NHL.com as to what the breakout is in the "penalties drawn" category.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I agree about the agitation, but from what I can see, he's a net negative overall the last couple of years in that regard and a slight positive when he was in NY.

Last year: 18 games with Philly: 1 penalty drawn, 5 taken (3 minor)
Last 3 years with LA: 95 games: 41 penalties drawn, 50 taken (32 minor)
2018-2021 with NYR: 109 games: 60 penalties drawn, 56 taken (37 minor)

I don't have the details from NHL.com as to what the breakout is in the "penalties drawn" category.

So it’s a situation if he does the opposite of what he’s done most of his career to get traded off of good teams onto worse teams midseason he’ll be a real asset? Plan the parade.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I agree about the agitation, but from what I can see, he's a net negative overall the last couple of years in that regard and a slight positive when he was in NY.

Last year: 18 games with Philly: 1 penalty drawn, 5 taken (3 minor)
Last 3 years with LA: 95 games: 41 penalties drawn, 50 taken (32 minor)
2018-2021 with NYR: 109 games: 60 penalties drawn, 56 taken (37 minor)

I don't have the details from NHL.com as to what the breakout is in the "penalties drawn" category.

Maybe they think they can harness his nonsense more effectively. I don't know; I'm not particularly impressed by the signing, but we'll see.

 

[Chrispy]

Maybe they think they can harness his nonsense more effectively. I don't know; I'm not particularly impressed by the signing, but we'll see.

Is he even going to crack the lineup on a regular basis, or is he a healthy extra who subs in for...problematic opponents?

If he ends up in the box along with the problem child on the other team, that's a net win.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Is he even going to crack the lineup on a regular basis, or is he a healthy extra who subs in for...problematic opponents?

If he ends up in the box along with the problem child on the other team, that's a net win.

This is plausible. They must have some plan for him, and this is as good as any, I suppose.

 

[Chrispy]

This is plausible. They must have some plan for him, and this is as good as any, I suppose.

Right now, the team has 12 healthy forwards and Svech on IR. That's with Drury on the roster and no other kids.

Even if there isn't another forward acquired, I expect one of Ponomarev, Rees, Suzuki, or Gunler to make the team and push Lemieux to the box. Maybe Lemieux starts the season on the 4th line with Drury and Martinook/Noesen until Svech is healthy.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Maybe they think they can harness his nonsense more effectively. I don't know; I'm not particularly impressed by the signing, but we'll see.

I don't have a problem with the signing, nor am I overly impressed. Based on the $$$, it's a 4th line/13th forward signing. That's why I don't think he'll have a ton of impact, either positively or negatively. If he hurts the team, Rod will sit him. If he helps the team and works his way up based on his performance on ice, then great.

 

[Svechhammer]

I agree that Lemieux would be a specialist to bring into games against opponents who have someone you know is going to try and run us (like a Trouba, Reaves, Wilson, Gudas, etc) in an effort to fight fire with fire and let him deal with the bullshit to keep our stars out of it. A good role player like that is something the team could have really used the last couple years, so I'm good with trying it out for our push to the Cup this year.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So we all are waiting for 4 pm to see how crazy this gets?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So we all are waiting for 4 pm to see how crazy this gets?

what's the significance of 4pm?

 

[Stickpucker]

Let me stress: I'd love to get another legitimate top 6 scoring forward!

But I think boiling the Canes situation down to that particular trope overly simplifies the situation. First off, it ignores the extent that luck/ variability can play in a hockey game. A rut in the ice, a marginal call that goes one way vs. the other, a shot that pinballs off of 3 players, a fluke injury, etc. I'd argue that doing the same thing over and over can end up in different results. I'm curious: anyone know if TB made significant changes between 2019 and 2020?

Second, "doing the same thing" ignores potential improvement from some of our young forwards. What are the odds that some of Jarvis, KK, Necas, and maybe even Svech take it up a notch this season? Or that someone like Svech or whatever they do instead of Patches doesn't get injured?

Again, I hope the Borg adds a legit top 6 forward. But they shouldn't make a big move just to make a big move. I'm sure they're being careful with respect to Dundon's point that the Canes are at a place where it's easier to make the team worse than it is to make it better. Anyone else wonder if maybe the Borg didn't consider someone like Duchene because of that principle?

Having said all that, I'm still of the belief that one way or another they add another scoring forward, lol.

I mostly agree. The thing I'll say is you're banking on all positive outcomes. There will be some negative ones too.

The big thing is....it is a game of percentages. You want to give yourself the best % chance to win. But if a 2% higher chance to win has a large acquisition cost that's when you need to balance things out.

Right now we have 13 forwards under contract (including Svech). My guess is that Jack Drury could be one of the pieces involved in the various trades the Canes are considering. That would leave, theoretically, a spot for one of Rees, Ponomarev, or Suzuki to compete for. I like the ideo of bringing a youngster into the fold.

I'd like to see a youngster or two get a shot. Not sure how likely that is. When is big boys training camp? Maybe we have time to see something from one of the yutes then make a trade.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

what's the significance of 4pm?

Wasn’t that the time the Canadian U-18 team investigation findings are released? Or did I misread the time?

 

[Stickpucker]

what's the significance of 4pm?

At 4 pm it's no longer considered afternoon delight.

 

[Lempo]

Wasn’t that the time the Canadian U-18 team investigation findings are released? Or did I misread the time?

I'm not sure if this is official information or if everyone is just trusting NHL to be NHL and to release this sort of information right after the officials hours end for the weekend.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Wasn’t that the time the Canadian U-18 team investigation findings are released? Or did I misread the time?

Ah...gotcha. Thanks, I missed that.

At 4 pm it's no longer considered afternoon delight.

If skyrockets are in flight, it's always afternoon delight.

Also this.

 

[Svechhammer]

Ah...gotcha. Thanks, I missed that.


If skyrockets are in flight, it's always afternoon delight.

Also this.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

So we all are waiting for 4 pm to see how crazy this gets?

That’s one of the first things I learned watching Dan Patrick back in the day. You wanna bury a story, drop it at 5 pm on a Friday. Looking back in the past it makes so much sense I wonder why I didn’t think of it earlier.

 

[NotOpie]

I don't have a problem with the signing, nor am I overly impressed. Based on the $$$, it's a 4th line/13th forward signing. That's why I don't think he'll have a ton of impact, either positively or negatively. If he hurts the team, Rod will sit him. If he helps the team and works his way up based on his performance on ice, then great.

I'm curious what Lemieux's skating looks like. If he can keep up, with his size and physicality, he should be a more than adequate 4th liner. Heck he can't skate any worse than Noesen.

That’s one of the first things I learned watching Dan Patrick back in the day. You wanna bury a story, drop it at 5 pm on a Friday. Looking back in the past it makes so much sense I wonder why I didn’t think of it earlier.

It is what the government does when it releases bad news. It is what every political candidate does when he/she releases bad news. The assumption is, of course, fewer people are paying attention.

 

[AD Skinner]

Noesen can score goals. Doesn’t seem like lemieux can do that

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

So we all are waiting for 4 pm to see how crazy this gets?

I thought it was 4:20 but starting earlier is fine with me.

 

[DaveG]

Ah...gotcha. Thanks, I missed that.


If skyrockets are in flight, it's always afternoon delight.

Also this.

I want this to be something along the lines of an announcement that the Canes will be splitting AHL affiliates with Nashville and Seattle this year... but it will likely be something far less important.