GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Gurglesons]

As well as not having Svech and Patches injured.

Well, that’s kind of the point right? Keller would fit the Patches role.

He’s also a fantastic Powerplay player.

 

[Bub]

Well, that’s kind of the point right? Keller would fit the Patches role.

He’s also a fantastic Powerplay player.

Unrelated, but great avi there. Fantastic album, great band.

 

[chaz4hockey]

My son sent this to me this morning:

 

[Sigurd]

My son sent this to me this morning:

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Love it.

 

[Francis10]

Wether it be Tank or Nylander or some other forward, we definitely do need to do something to upgrade our forwards some way. Love all the guys we have right now, but we can all see we are missing something up front.

Like the old saying goes: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

[Ole Gil]

I think the Canes forwards are good enough now. Just a matter of why not get better if they can?

Aho, TT (rebound), Jarvis (developed), Svech, Bunting, Necas w/Staal and KK chipping in. Get what you get from Drury/Martinook/Fast.

And now Skjei/Burns/Orlov/Pesce/Slavin/TDA (at worst) on the backend,

There's a lot of offense in this lineup.

 

[LakeLivin]

Wether it be Tank or Nylander or some other forward, we definitely do need to do something to upgrade our forwards some way. Love all the guys we have right now, but we can all see we are missing something up front.

Like the old saying goes: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Let me stress: I'd love to get another legitimate top 6 scoring forward!

But I think boiling the Canes situation down to that particular trope overly simplifies the situation. First off, it ignores the extent that luck/ variability can play in a hockey game. A rut in the ice, a marginal call that goes one way vs. the other, a shot that pinballs off of 3 players, a fluke injury, etc. I'd argue that doing the same thing over and over can end up in different results. I'm curious: anyone know if TB made significant changes between 2019 and 2020?

Second, "doing the same thing" ignores potential improvement from some of our young forwards. What are the odds that some of Jarvis, KK, Necas, and maybe even Svech take it up a notch this season? Or that someone like Svech or whatever they do instead of Patches doesn't get injured?

Again, I hope the Borg adds a legit top 6 forward. But they shouldn't make a big move just to make a big move. I'm sure they're being careful with respect to Dundon's point that the Canes are at a place where it's easier to make the team worse than it is to make it better. Anyone else wonder if maybe the Borg didn't consider someone like Duchene because of that principle?

Having said all that, I'm still of the belief that one way or another they add another scoring forward, lol.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I think the Canes forwards are good enough now. Just a matter of why not get better if they can?

Aho, TT (rebound), Jarvis (developed), Svech, Bunting, Necas w/Staal and KK chipping in. Get what you get from Drury/Martinook/Fast.

And now Skjei/Burns/Orlov/Pesce/Slavin/TDA (at worst) on the backend,

There's a lot of offense in this lineup.

To further this point, if you take the current roster of 18 skaters and take their goals per game totals from last year it’s 286.

That would be good for 7th in the league, which is exactly where they were when Svech got hurt.

 

[dogbazinho]

I'd also take a young defenseman as a consulation prize just in case Morrow/Nikishin doesn't pan out.

 

[Francis10]

Yes agreed. Maybe Necas or Svech or Jarvy or KK make a leap this year, but what if they don’t? Would rather have another scoring forward added the roster (like Patches was supposed to be last year), just to be safe.

Just one fans opinion.

 

[LakeLivin]

Yes agreed. Maybe Necas or Svech or Jarvy or KK make a leap this year, but what if they don’t? Would rather have another scoring forward added the roster (like Patches was supposed to be last year), just to be safe.

Just one fans opinion.

Agree, just want to be careful how they do it, and disagree with those that feel they have to do something big regardless of the cost (not saying that's you). And again, I think they'll find something that makes sense.

 

[NotOpie]

Right now we have 13 forwards under contract (including Svech). My guess is that Jack Drury could be one of the pieces involved in the various trades the Canes are considering. That would leave, theoretically, a spot for one of Rees, Ponomarev, or Suzuki to compete for. I like the ideo of bringing a youngster into the fold.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Regarding snipers....when they are on, both Svech and Necas can be that guy. Their issue is inconsistency. In Marty's case, in my mind he's like the Sundance Kid.



.....he's better in motion than stationary.

Truth be told, and many forgot this because of his down year last season, but Tuevo is probably our best sniper currently on the team. Again, when he's on he can pick corners and pretty much put the puck wherever he wants....problem is he just doesn't shoot as much as he could (or in the case of last season was mostly snake-bitten).

That’s wildly overblown. For his career and over the last 3 seasons his shooting % is worse than Jordan “right in the logo” Staal.

He has a good shot that he could stand to use more, but he’s not some sniper who just never shoots.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

That’s wildly overblown. For his career and over the last 3 seasons his shooting % is worse than Jordan “right in the logo” Staal.

He has a good shot that he could stand to use more, but he’s not some sniper who just never shoots.

He's not a sniper by any means but I don't think the raw shooting % tells the story. He seems to throw pucks on net from poor locations quite a bit and pass up better shots trying to find an open guy. When he does have the time/space and decides to shoot I think he is very accurate. Better than Staal for sure.

 

[Derailed75]

Yes agreed. Maybe Necas or Svech or Jarvy or KK make a leap this year, but what if they don’t? Would rather have another scoring forward added the roster (like Patches was supposed to be last year), just to be safe.

Just one fans opinion.

Honestly don't even think they have to improve (although at their ages they should) with Svech and Patches out the Canes lost the ECF by 4 goals, we all know that. You don't think the addition of Bunting and Svech add at least 4 goals in that series?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Wether it be Tank or Nylander or some other forward, we definitely do need to do something to upgrade our forwards some way. Love all the guys we have right now, but we can all see we are missing something up front.

Like the old saying goes: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I don't consider it "doing the same thing over and over". In the last 5 years, the team has made substantial changes to try and bring in more scoring and be more competitive. Case in point, Burns and Pacioretty last season who were brought in specifically to add more scoring to the team. I don't see adding Tank this off-season as any different than the team adding Patches last off-season. Just sucks that Patches got injured, but if we bring in Tarasenko, there's a chance he gets injured as well.

Even before that guys like Nino, Haula, Trocheck, KK, and even adding Necas and Jarvis to the team.

There are only 7 players left from the 18-19 squad that made it to the ECF:

Forward: Aho, TT, Svech (who was a rookie), Martinook and Staal
Defense: Slavin and Pesce
Goalie: none

 

[Tryamw]

I'm bored. Somebody do something.

Be careful what you wish for

 

[Tryamw]

Will this fix our scoring?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Let me stress: I'd love to get another legitimate top 6 scoring forward!

But I think boiling the Canes situation down to that particular trope overly simplifies the situation. First off, it ignores the extent that luck/ variability can play in a hockey game. A rut in the ice, a marginal call that goes one way vs. the other, a shot that pinballs off of 3 players, a fluke injury, etc. I'd argue that doing the same thing over and over can end up in different results. I'm curious: anyone know if TB made significant changes between 2019 and 2020?

Second, "doing the same thing" ignores potential improvement from some of our young forwards. What are the odds that some of Jarvis, KK, Necas, and maybe even Svech take it up a notch this season? Or that someone like Svech or whatever they do instead of Patches doesn't get injured?

Again, I hope the Borg adds a legit top 6 forward. But they shouldn't make a big move just to make a big move. I'm sure they're being careful with respect to Dundon's point that the Canes are at a place where it's easier to make the team worse than it is to make it better. Anyone else wonder if maybe the Borg didn't consider someone like Duchene because of that principle?

Having said all that, I'm still of the belief that one way or another they add another scoring forward, lol.

While true on a game-by-game basis, it's a bit less applicable in a macro scale. There's no arguing the majority of last year we relied on volume shooting to overcome absolutely putrid shooting %...a top 5 team with bottom 5 shooting. We had probably more 1 goal games than any other team last year, and we won most! But as you said with luck, it could have very easily swung the other way half the time. We relied heavily on our stout defense to hold the fort, and they mostly held. But we saw the other side at times as well where our goalies were caved for 3-4 goals and it was pretty much over. We had a few great comebacks but often if we went down by 2+, the games felt over. I think we're better today than last year adding Bunting and hoping for Jarvy to develop, but it still feels like we could do more to score (and I'm not sure EK is it)

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I'm bored. Somebody do something.

Alex Galchenyuk has heard your prayer.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Will this fix our scoring?

No but he'll make it easier for our guys to operate without getting their head taken off. Or sat on and getting cross checked continuously in the back of the neck.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No but he'll make it easier for our guys to operate without getting their head taken off. Or sat on and getting cross checked continuously in the back of the neck.

I think his impact may be less than you think. He was getting ~8 min. / game in LA this season and will likely get about the same here in Carolina on the 4th line.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I think his impact may be less than you think. He was getting ~8 min. / game in LA this season and will likely get about the same here in Carolina on the 4th line.

While I agree with you on the TOI, sometimes a presence on the bench is enough. If Jarvis/Aho/Slavin etc. get run, we at least have someone who can go out and run one of their guys. That in itself is a deterrent. It's an element we were lacking and opposing teams knew it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

While I agree with you on the TOI, sometimes a presence on the bench is enough. If Jarvis/Aho/Slavin etc. get run, we at least have someone who can go out and run one of their guys. That in itself is a deterrent. It's an element we were lacking and opposing teams knew it.

I really don't think it's much of a deterrent. NYR had Trouba and it didn't stop Tom Wilson from body slamming Panarin and running others.

Don't get me wrong, I do think he adds something we've lacked so I agree with that, I just don't think it will be as much of a deterrent or make it easier for our guys to operate. Trouba is going to make that hit on Jarvis with, or without Lemieux on the team.

 

[Lempo]

Sooo do you guys think that NHL has told the teams to hold any trades and signings until the near future day when the league really, really wants some happy hockey news to drown some other hockey-related news topic?