DaveG
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it's stable. In fact the way it's heading we're going to be right around 4M banked by the deadline, and that's with some of the guys that are likely AHL bound still factored in (Coghlan, maybe Kooch).
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Surprisingly, TT is pretty good along the boards, not because of his body strength, but because of his stickwork. And, arguably he's a better pure defender than Nookie.
I think having somebody with Tuevo's scoring prowess (even if he will pass up an open shot to feed Staal) is ideal. Yes, Nino was a bigger, stronger dude, but it was his shot that made that line so dangerous IMO.
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I wouldn’t mind Scheifele, if Teravainen was stapled to his right wing permanently. However cap space and acquisition cost likely make that impossible.
I think TT is in for a big year personally.
I think TT is in for a big year personally.
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bleedgreen
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I think that line is successful because they sacrifice it all for the grind. If offense comes from it then great but it’s not the expectation nor is it the need. It’s not TT’s game. Rod doesn’t really expect scoring from them. We’ll see how it goes, maybe I’m wrong or he’ll feel he needs to give TT a chance and doesn’t want to bury him on the fourth.
I think his first instinct would be to run the same three regardless of more talented options being available.
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Pagnotta saying around 9 million for Lindholm. I hope calgary does it because they will be perpetually in mediocrity with a negative value 1C.
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I get the hate for Caps, Pens, Bruins, Montreal, and a lot of traditionalist/elitist/smug northerners....but Calgary?
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I don’t hate calgary. Just pointing out the outcome of them paying him that money
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I don't know what negative value means in this context, but he did score 42 goals two seasons ago. A center that can score 40+ goals seems like a piece you have to build around, and Calgary is not exactly a destination for free agents right now.
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He is riding playing with JG and Tkachuk to the bank. He is a 2C that benefited from those 2.
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Sure, but even without those two, he's probably a 30 goal center with decent help. And yes, the price is probably high, but I don't think he's anywhere near a "negative value player", whatever that means.
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He was clearly going to get 8 on the market minimum. If he’s staying he’s going to get more than Kadri’s 7. It’s less than Aho who’s right at about a ppg player. With the market changing I think between 8 and Aho is pretty much where he belongs. If he’s “overpaid” it’ll be by about a million which in Calgary’s shoes is the price of doing business and it’ll be irrelevant when the cap goes up. If it’s 8 years that hurts but this is a clear cut 1B center who’s at his ufa moment. He’s getting term. He’s earned it. If we traded for him and kept him he would be expecting term.
He’s generally healthy and he’s a very consistent player. You have to sign somebody and with their losses center is the position to invest in. Their market wants to win more than it wants a rebuild. They have enough talent to not rebuild.
He’s generally healthy and he’s a very consistent player. You have to sign somebody and with their losses center is the position to invest in. Their market wants to win more than it wants a rebuild. They have enough talent to not rebuild.
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9 million aav, he will be a negative value player. I.e aint living up to his contract
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If the cap does go up as expected, the value of all contracts might change very quickly.
The important thing i want to know about lindholm's ask is, what about nylander? When nylander's not in the the contract negotiations, everyone should stand around asking 'where is nylander.'
Nylander!!!!
Nylander!!!!
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I remember when people said the exact same thing about Jordan Staal's contract
Nylander has to go now. His planet needs him.
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bleedgreen
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Yeah…..I don’t really know what a negative value contract is either but for a few years there Staal would’ve gotten my vote. Even with his improved play at the back end I don’t know that I’d ever say he was worth six league wide. It worked for us in the end so it’s irrelevant.
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I think Lindholm deserves Horvat / Larkin level money.
I'd say those players might be overpaid or net negative value BUT they're in their primes and UFAs.
It's probably just my old man brain not adjusting to inflation like all the people talking about how gas used to be 25 cents a gallon.
I'd say those players might be overpaid or net negative value BUT they're in their primes and UFAs.
It's probably just my old man brain not adjusting to inflation like all the people talking about how gas used to be 25 cents a gallon.
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...but he didn't ever really live up to that contract, so not sure the point here. He's been solid for us and our cap situation made it not a big deal, but if we'd been closer to the cap he absolutely would have been seen as a guy with "dead cap"
Lindholm @ $9M is probably a little high, considering he only surpassed 30G once, during his career year 2 years ago. He's only been at/close to a PPG player twice though, and I think his biggest detriment is that he's more the "passenger" than the play driver. He had a career year with Tkachuk and Gaudreau, but otherwise he's mostly been low-end 1C / high-end 2C, and he's looking at 1C money.
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bleedgreen
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Well I think he drives play pretty well but he’s a playmaker much more than a scorer so he’s very much a complimentary player at the same time. Which can make value confusing. He’s needs people who can finish around him to be higher levels of productive. His ability to take the zone, drive back the D and find the open lane driving teammate is hard to question. He actually takes it to the net himself and scores on occasion as well.
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