Leo Carlsson or Adam Fantilli?

[Mrb1p]

Michkov
Fantilli
Carlsson

But the gap between the two Cs is insanely small.

Carlssonl reminds me of Lecavalier and Fantilli reminds me of Modano, both stylistically and in play style.

Carlsson doesnt shoot nearly as well as Vinny though.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

I think it's less CBJ and more Anaheim deciding Carlsson would be better. There was a vocal contingent arguing for Carlsson even before that though, the world championship made them much louder. That's why I was so surprised 9 out of 10 scouts in Bob's final rankings had Fantilli 2nd. Maybe they worked for teams with late firsts or no firsts and didn't really think about who they preferred though.

Every single Scout with draft input in Anaheim went with carlsson over Fantilli

 

[Hierso]

Fantilli will have a higher peak but Carlsson will have the overalll better career thanks to his hockey IQ.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Carlsson has franchise C written all over him. Big, skates well, good distributor, got the IQ, and the hands. He's the full package for having a successful NHL career.

I like Fantilli too but he's had a lot of success just being bigger and faster than his peers. Will have to see how that translates. I do think he has a great pro ceiling, could be another MacKinnon type that just bulls his way around the ice. Could also be Alex Tuch, think there's more variance with this player.

 

[wetcoast]

I don’t think Carlsson is a lock to be a center in the nhl.

Perhaps not a lock but to me it's 95%.

 

[KingAlfie11]

I picked Fantilli only because I haven't seen Carlsson play, but it wouldn't surprise me that Carlsson could become the better player.

 

[MessierII]

Perhaps not a lock but to me it's 95%.

More like 50-50. Fantili is more of a pure centre. Carlsson already plays more wing than centre.

 

[Peat]

Based purely on scouting reports went with Carlsson. Whenever it's close, I always side with the best hockey IQ.

 

[wetcoast]

More like 50-50. Fantili is more of a pure centre. Carlsson already plays more wing than centre.

Part of that is because he played in the adult Swedish league last year not the U20.

His game easily translates as an NHL center.

 

[Breakers]

College guys always disappoint. It's Leo

“Always”

I’d love to hear you back up this claim.

 

[MessierII]

Part of that is because he played in the adult Swedish league last year not the U20.

His game easily translates as an NHL center.

I’m not sure neither are most scouts. Some his skating issues may prevent him from play centre.

 

[wetcoast]

I’m not sure neither are most scouts. Some his skating issues may prevent him from play centre.

Skating issues what are you talking about his skating isn't just fine it's excellent.

this article lays out how I feel about Carlsson very well.

Prospect of Interest: Power forward Leo Carlsson brings skill, versatility

Leo Carlsson has the versatility to play centre or wing, and is being drafted after a promisingly productive season in Sweden's top league. The sky is the limit.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Bleak]

I’m not sure neither are most scouts. Some his skating issues may prevent him from play centre.

Where is this coming from? His skating is pretty freaking good

Skating issues what are you talking about his skating isn't just fine it's excellent.

this article lays out how I feel about Carlsson very well.

Prospect of Interest: Power forward Leo Carlsson brings skill, versatility

Leo Carlsson has the versatility to play centre or wing, and is being drafted after a promisingly productive season in Sweden's top league. The sky is the limit.

www.sportsnet.ca

Copy-cat...

 

[93LEAFS]

I’m not sure neither are most scouts. Some his skating issues may prevent him from play centre.

I've seen more talk of Fantilli's IQ holding him back from being a top line centerman than I have about Carlson's skating holding him back from being a center.

There have been a decent amount of top-line centers with skating issues at their draft date (Draisaitl, Tavares, ROR, Barkov, etc). The amount of non-elite IQ centerman is a lot smaller. The real issue is can they can create time on the puck with something instead of skating, such as strength/puck control.

 

[Felidae]

If two prospects are considered around the same level, I'll usually place my bets on the player whose main strength is their hockey sense.

I'll go with Carlsson, gives me Barkov vibes in how he was being underestimated by a decent amount of hockey fans when they were drafted.

Both were also big playmaking centres who had skating weakness, or at the very least, needed improvement at the time, Barkov really worked on it to the point it can be considered a strength.

I hope Carlsson has the self awareness, dedication and physical makeup to improve his skating to the same extent.

 

[MessierII]

Skating issues what are you talking about his skating isn't just fine it's excellent.

this article lays out how I feel about Carlsson very well.

Prospect of Interest: Power forward Leo Carlsson brings skill, versatility

Leo Carlsson has the versatility to play centre or wing, and is being drafted after a promisingly productive season in Sweden's top league. The sky is the limit.

www.sportsnet.ca

I’m not saying it’s bad but to say it’s excellent is just not true. Fantili skates way better for example. Personally I find skating issues pretty overblown because it’s something you can improve on as long as you recognize it and put in the work. Still if you’re playing predominantly wing in your draft year you’re not even close to a guarantee to play centre in the nhl.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don't understand why people pretend to be experts on junior players. I can barely find the time to watch just all my pro team's games. But apparently everyone else has the time to be an amateur scout.

They all work from home. Glad they don’t work for me.

 

[wetcoast]

I’m not saying it’s bad but to say it’s excellent is just not true. Fantili skates way better for example. Personally I find skating issues pretty overblown because it’s something you can improve on as long as you recognize it and put in the work. Still if you’re playing predominantly wing in your draft year you’re not even close to a guarantee to play centre in the nhl.

It has been pointed out numerous times that he played center throughout his career and this year at the WC as well.

What a team might do in a single year to a draft eligible player doesn't impact very strongly here.

Skating just isn't an issue for Leo right now either all one has to do is read various scouting reports and/or watch him play a bit.

 

[BB88]

Everything you read about Fantilli screams captain material.

He’s absolutely all in driven on making himself the best player possible& I mean all in. Reminds so much of Mackinnon and with his physical tools it makes you feel better about the IQ concerns.

So it’s really 50/50 with them being 2 very different types of players.

With Carlsson I still don’t get fans concerns about his skating, it won’t limit him from being a C at the NHL level

You never want to bet against IQ but you never want to bet against player with elite elite physical tools and insane drive/work ethic

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Well I created the poll so I should stick my neck out. I think Fantilli will have the better career. I get the concern with Fantili is "hockey IQ" but I wonder if a lot of that is just he tries to do damage off the rush and makes passes that kill possessions quickly with turnovers. Jack Hughes does the same thing and it can be maddening and you think he's not having a good game and then suddenly he'll get 2 points unexpectedly.

Basically a lot of the "hockey IQ" stuff I believe is because he's incredibly physically gifted (hence where's the weakness...IQ) and a lot of scouts saw a few bad turnovers or less than ideal offensive zone possessions and let that impact their assessment. Where the NHL is headed I just see Fantilli being a dominant force, although I do have some concern he's entering a team headed by a GM trying to save his job first and foremost and TBD if Babcock is the right guy to bring him into the league.

 

[JaegerDice]

I was (and still am) high on Fantilli, but the more I saw of Carlsson playing against men, the more I liked him. I agree with Anaheim picking him 2nd.

They were in the catbird seat. There was no bad option between the two.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Love both prospects. Hope they're both studs.

Voted Fanta because he's on my favorite team.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I’m not sure neither are most scouts. Some his skating issues may prevent him from play centre.

More like 50-50. Fantili is more of a pure centre. Carlsson already plays more wing than centre.

I couldn’t disagree with these posts more, personally.

He’s gonna be a center in the show 100%, he’s the total package. And his skating if anything is an asset, not a hindrance.

You can’t teach big guys to move the way he does.

 

[bert]

I have seen Mackinnon vs Barkov comparisons. So if it plays out like that its a no brainer for me.

Both teams appeared to have lucked out in the 2/3 hole. Can't believe Michkov dropped to 7 though.

 

[BB88]

Well I created the poll so I should stick my neck out. I think Fantilli will have the better career. I get the concern with Fantili is "hockey IQ" but I wonder if a lot of that is just he tries to do damage off the rush and makes passes that kill possessions quickly with turnovers. Jack Hughes does the same thing and it can be maddening and you think he's not having a good game and then suddenly he'll get 2 points unexpectedly.

Basically a lot of the "hockey IQ" stuff I believe is because he's incredibly physically gifted (hence where's the weakness...IQ) and a lot of scouts saw a few bad turnovers or less than ideal offensive zone possessions and let that impact their assessment. Where the NHL is headed I just see Fantilli being a dominant force, although I do have some concern he's entering a team headed by a GM trying to save his job first and foremost and TBD if Babcock is the right guy to bring him into the league.

I really don’t get this concern