Lecavalier Bought Out - A Good Fit?
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Sun God Nika
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ahhhhh i forgot him, dont worry im not one of those trade conacher club members, he has elite offensive upside, switch him with greening. put greening on 4th , greening - pageau - condra.
McManked
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Hutz
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He's getting bought out. He's easily worth $5 Million a season. He's only 33. He's a legit #1 C that is good for 30 G & 30 A at least, if he is healthy.
You are seriously against signing one of the best C's in the NHL because he might take playing time away from Zibanejad and Kyle freaking Turris?
The reality is that Lecavalier would probably not choose to come to Ottawa.
BM better at least make the phone call.
How do you pass up an opportunity to land a player like this for nothing but cash?
He makes our team better and he's got at least 4 or 5 years left in the tank.
This is "no brainer" defined.
These guys are right. Odds are another team is willing to offer a contract that we can't match... odds are he doesn't choose Ottawa... but if BM doesn't make the right phone calls on this, he's making a huge mistake.
We're all talking about how we desperately need a top line forward... here is one that's available for nothing but a contract... why not offer one??? No-brainer indeed.
Lecavalier was almost traded to Ottawa if I remember right. The story I remember had Spezza going the other way though.
If Lecavalier REALLY wanted to be a Hab, he would have been years ago.
Anything he says about it is just politics. Of course I would love to play for the Habs, but you know...I'll just sign here in Tampa where the weather is awesome year round, and people don't hassle me or my family when I go shopping, or to a restaurant.
Look how many French guys have been run out of town, or requested to be traded out of Montreal because of the environment.
It's sickening.
I can't imagine that too many French guys really want to deal with all the extras that come with the job.
If Lecavalier REALLY wanted to be a Hab, he would have been years ago.
Anything he says about it is just politics. Of course I would love to play for the Habs, but you know...I'll just sign here in Tampa where the weather is awesome year round, and people don't hassle me or my family when I go shopping, or to a restaurant.
Look how many French guys have been run out of town, or requested to be traded out of Montreal because of the environment.
It's sickening.
I can't imagine that too many French guys really want to deal with all the extras that come with the job.
McManked
Ooh to be a Gooner
McManked
Ooh to be a Gooner
Actually, I'm pretty sure one of the owners vetoed the Lecavalier to Habs trade. Not sure though.
McManked
Ooh to be a Gooner
Yeah, you're right.
I'd love for you guys to be right and be able to sign him, I'm just skeptical. I think that's fair, considering Ottawa really hasn't signed a UFA as big as Lecavalier before.
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Hutz
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Fair enough, I read the first page and responded, but your post on that page seemed to contradict that sentiment
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lafite
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I doubt Ottawa would go for 4 years, but we are talking about a major talent here. If Zibanajad got moved to the wing, it would not be the end of the world. Same with Pageau, who might look pretty good on a line with Vinnie.
But if Ottawa wants him, get in line.
Xspyrit
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He's 33 y/o but our line-up could be (assuming Alfie retires) something like :
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Erik Condra ($1.000m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Jim O'Brien ($0.638m) / Matt Kassian ($0.575m) /
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($1.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Eric Gryba ($0.563m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.700m) /
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
Still almost 15 000 000$ in cap space
* I know the 3rd line is small but still a nightmare to play against (and very very fast). At worst, switch Neil and Condra to add more size/toughness
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Cory Conacher ($0.925m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Erik Condra ($1.000m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Jim O'Brien ($0.638m) / Matt Kassian ($0.575m) /
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($1.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Eric Gryba ($0.563m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.700m) /
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
Still almost 15 000 000$ in cap space
* I know the 3rd line is small but still a nightmare to play against (and very very fast). At worst, switch Neil and Condra to add more size/toughness
Powdered Toast Man
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Turris being a winger for the first time in his life and Zibanejad playing a position he generally has preformed poorly at...on the same line? Not interested.
StefanW
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I have read through this thread, and only have two slightly different things to offer.
First, if Murray and Melnyk decide to pursue Vinnie I think they have an excellent shot at getting him. They managed to get Kovalev (I know I know, but he was sought after at the time) and Gonchar, and made the best bid for Nash last summer. When they set their sights on someone they go hard and quite often get the job done. So the question is whether he is interesting to Murray. If he is, I think we have as good a shot if not better than most other teams.
Second, I think Vinnie on a one or two year deal makes some sense. A rumour is floating around that he will re-sign with Tampa and only wants a one year gig. That is a perfect stop gap for us that gives Zibby another year to mature. Landing him also means we can put together a package for a #4 D on the right hand side, because we will have decent scoring depth. It probably would mean that Turris will be shipped out in that package because there is no way to keep all of our Cs. A lot of teams are looking for a #2 C, and putting Turris in with a package could potentially land us an excellent 3/4 D.
First, if Murray and Melnyk decide to pursue Vinnie I think they have an excellent shot at getting him. They managed to get Kovalev (I know I know, but he was sought after at the time) and Gonchar, and made the best bid for Nash last summer. When they set their sights on someone they go hard and quite often get the job done. So the question is whether he is interesting to Murray. If he is, I think we have as good a shot if not better than most other teams.
Second, I think Vinnie on a one or two year deal makes some sense. A rumour is floating around that he will re-sign with Tampa and only wants a one year gig. That is a perfect stop gap for us that gives Zibby another year to mature. Landing him also means we can put together a package for a #4 D on the right hand side, because we will have decent scoring depth. It probably would mean that Turris will be shipped out in that package because there is no way to keep all of our Cs. A lot of teams are looking for a #2 C, and putting Turris in with a package could potentially land us an excellent 3/4 D.
StefanW
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Oh, and a third point that came to mind is if he ends up in Montreal there is no way we are going to put them down in 5 in next year's playoffs.
No one is talking like he's coming here as though it's a done deal. The discussion has to do with whether Lecavalier would be a good fit and at what price. Subsequently, if it was to happen, what impact on the roster would it have.
In your post above, you seem to be speaking from both sides of your mouth. For one you want to temper what you call "expectations" but most everyone else would view as "what if scenario". Yet you follow that by defending your right to speculate like everyone else on here.
As for whether Vinny would want to come here. Why not? Ottawa is as good as it gets for any french player wanting to be close to home but not deal with the media circus that is Montreal. Heck he could have a home an hour away from both cities. If that wasn't enough, the Sens are as competitive as the Habs. I wouldn't just assume he will go to the highest bitter. He will go to the team that is the best fit for him and only he knows what his criteria is. Don't be so quick to exclude Ottawa.
lafite
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I hadn't heard of a Spezza deal, but there was a serious Yashin for Vinnie deal in the works. He wasn't getting along with Tortorella, and it was a done deal until the owner asked the GM if he would guarantee greater success with Yashin, and he wouldn't. So the deal was squashed. Since we ended up with Spezza and Chara, you could argue Ottawa ended up with a better deal. You could also argue that Vinnie has a cup ring.
yogibear
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If we did offer 16.M to an older Gonchar, maybe Lecavalier can be offered something similar.
Lecavalier would sell more jerseys than Gonchar, that is for sure !!!
Lecavalier would sell more jerseys than Gonchar, that is for sure !!!
Marty Straka
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He just turned 33.. still has a ton left in the tank.. i'd be more then happy to give him 5-6yrs at 5mil.
5YR/30MIL and I go to the local Sens Store and pick up a jersey ASAP!
But.. like it's been said.. the likelyhood of Lecavalier signing here is pretty much slim to none.
5YR/30MIL and I go to the local Sens Store and pick up a jersey ASAP!
But.. like it's been said.. the likelyhood of Lecavalier signing here is pretty much slim to none.
His last 5 years of goal production:
10G in 39 games
22G in 64 games
25G in 65 games
24G in 82 games
29G in 77 games
His last 5 years of assist production:
22
27
29
46
38
Remind me again what this team needs? Skilled top 6 forwards with size? And he's French Canadian? What a coincidence that we need the first item urgently and could greatly benefit from the PR of a star French Canadian player on the team.
Quite frankly, I would use Kyle Turris as trade bait for a top 4 defenseman if I could get Lecavalier signed for 3-5 years.
There's no emotions when it comes to the business of building a team. You either have the balls to trade players and move on or you're always stuck watching other teams celebrate championships every year.
10G in 39 games
22G in 64 games
25G in 65 games
24G in 82 games
29G in 77 games
His last 5 years of assist production:
22
27
29
46
38
Remind me again what this team needs? Skilled top 6 forwards with size? And he's French Canadian? What a coincidence that we need the first item urgently and could greatly benefit from the PR of a star French Canadian player on the team.
Quite frankly, I would use Kyle Turris as trade bait for a top 4 defenseman if I could get Lecavalier signed for 3-5 years.
There's no emotions when it comes to the business of building a team. You either have the balls to trade players and move on or you're always stuck watching other teams celebrate championships every year.
Trading Turris for a Dman, MAY demonstrate the presence of balls, but it DEFINITELY demonstrates the absence of brains...
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