Marty Straka
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The lowest amount of GP in his career is 64... He's been fairly consistent in playing the majority of the season maybe missing a few games here and there with minor injuries...
Lecavalier Bought Out - A Good Fit?
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The lowest amount of GP in his career is 64... He's been fairly consistent in playing the majority of the season maybe missing a few games here and there with minor injuries...
DylanSensFan
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The lowest amount of GP in his career is 64... He's been fairly consistent in playing the majority of the season maybe missing a few games here and there with minor injuries...
So you're saying then, he was just invisible over the last little while? Okay, got ya.
He is past his prime...
Marty Straka
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What are you smoking?? He's nearly a point per game player his entire career and still is.. he was just a victim of a terrible contract... had he not been paid 10mil at a 7.7mil cap hit we wouldn't even be discussing the possibility because he'd still be a Bolt.
DylanSensFan
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maybe I exaggerated a bit with 2/3...
These are his last three seasons played: 65gp, 64gp, 39.
almost 40 games missed from 2011-2013... 9 games last season...some of those were simply spent on the bench.
He is on the decline and he wants a long term contract... meanwhile we are trying to develop the core of our team for years to come and you're trying suggest that Lecavalier is a good fit? Tampa would have kept him if that were the case.
You don't bench a PPG player because their contract is too big.
DylanSensFan
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So they gave up one of their best centers because it was a terrible contract? Why not give up St. Louis?
BonkTastic
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Whatttt? Perfect in the way that in 3 years when Vinny is 36 and Spezza is slowing down due to back injuries we have no centers coming up kinda way?
We saw what having no organizational depth was like from 2008-2011....
I understand the shiny new toy syndrome for Vinny but why do you want to tack on gutting our roster on to the pile?
Stylizer1
Rocket Surgeon
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Danny Briere ($3.500m)
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($3.500m)
Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Matt Kassian ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.827m)
Eric Gryba ($0.563m) / Chris Phillips ($3.083m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
OTHER
Buyout: Bobby Butler ($0.200m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,765,208; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $10,809,792
Seems about right. Then at the deadline bring in some D
Boom goes the dynamite.
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Danny Briere ($3.500m)
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($3.500m)
Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Matt Kassian ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.827m)
Eric Gryba ($0.563m) / Chris Phillips ($3.083m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
OTHER
Buyout: Bobby Butler ($0.200m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,765,208; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $10,809,792
Seems about right. Then at the deadline bring in some D
Boom goes the dynamite.
YNWA14
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So as I said before, I think there's a slightly higher than 0% chance that we're going to acquire Lecavalier.
In the astronomically low chance that we do actually get him...I could see us going "all-in" without much difficulty.
1. Sign Lecavalier to a "long-term deal" whatever that is, but with an AAV of no higher than 5.5.
2. Trade Zibanejad and the 17th for Bobby Ryan.
3. Trade 3rd round pick, Hoffman and Da Costa for Mike Cammalleri.
4. Make some kind of deal with Chicago for Leddy -- something around Mark Stone perhaps to attempt to replace Bickell.
Going into next year:
Mike Cammalleri - Jason Spezza - Bobby Ryan
Cory Conacher - Vincent Lecavalier - Daniel Alfredsson
Milan Michalek - Kyle Turris - Jakob Silfverberg
Colin Greening - Zack Smith - Chris Neil
(Erik Condra, JG-Pageau)
Marc Methot - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Nick Leddy
Chris Phillips - Patrick Wiercioch
(Mark Borowiecki, Eric Gryba)
Craig Anderson
Robin Lehner
Looks like a cup contending team to me without giving up too much of our future. Ah...dreaming is nice.
In the astronomically low chance that we do actually get him...I could see us going "all-in" without much difficulty.
1. Sign Lecavalier to a "long-term deal" whatever that is, but with an AAV of no higher than 5.5.
2. Trade Zibanejad and the 17th for Bobby Ryan.
3. Trade 3rd round pick, Hoffman and Da Costa for Mike Cammalleri.
4. Make some kind of deal with Chicago for Leddy -- something around Mark Stone perhaps to attempt to replace Bickell.
Going into next year:
Mike Cammalleri - Jason Spezza - Bobby Ryan
Cory Conacher - Vincent Lecavalier - Daniel Alfredsson
Milan Michalek - Kyle Turris - Jakob Silfverberg
Colin Greening - Zack Smith - Chris Neil
(Erik Condra, JG-Pageau)
Marc Methot - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Nick Leddy
Chris Phillips - Patrick Wiercioch
(Mark Borowiecki, Eric Gryba)
Craig Anderson
Robin Lehner
Looks like a cup contending team to me without giving up too much of our future. Ah...dreaming is nice.
Stylizer1
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I would love it.
Vinny fits the bill in so many ways.
- Vet who has captained a team and won the cup
- High end offense. Near ppg last year.
- An opportunity to make use of our incredible cap situation with these buyouts.
- A difference maker and potential game-changer
- Someone to take the pressure off Spezz
Make it happen GMBM.
And the money for this comes from?? It's essentially a cap team (maybe more?)
Why are you going all in right now? I don't even think that team wins the cup to be honest. Cutting Turris' ice time for Lecavalier and Wiercioch/Gryba's ice time for Leddy is not a big upgrade if at all.
YNWA14
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So that team leaves 14 million in cap space to sign Alfredsson, Lecavalier, Leddy and Wiercioch. That's assuming we take on Cammalleri's full salary (I don't think we would). I'm pretty sure, in this case, that Alfredsson would take a discount to try and win the cup, too.
It's a big push to try and win a cup for Alfredsson. It also doesn't hurt us moving forward really with Lecavalier and Ryan still having a bunch in the tank (especially Ryan), and Leddy being young as well. Also if you don't think that team is a significant improvement over what we've been icing the last two years I don't know what to tell you.
Stylizer1
Rocket Surgeon
Lecavalier is better than Turris right now and it is not even close in 2-3 years it is a different story. Turris would have more Vets to learn from.
Lecavalier makes us a lot better than Toronto and Montreal.
Ottawa is not spending to the cap under any circumstance
Lecavalier doesn't have much left in the tank. 4 years or more for that guy will be a bad contract.
Why is Leddy significantly better than what we have? Slight upgrade at best.
The team is an upgrade, but there's only so much PP to go around and you're cutting Turris' even strength ice time as well making him the 3rd C. It's not THAT much better, and imo not Cup worthy. Leddy is nothing special on the backend.
It's built in all the wrong ways, and investing too much money in overpaid scorers.
Turris is just as good as Lecavalier considering their all around games. If Lecavalier is better, it's not by much, and starting next the gap is obviously closing and Turris will surpass pretty soon.
YNWA14
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What about Turris' game makes him just as good as Lecavalier? Lecavalier is good defensively, way better at faceoffs, bigger and more physical, and he puts up more points.
I love Turris, but he's not as good as Vinny and likely won't be for a few years.
Qward
Because! That's why!
Stylizer1
Rocket Surgeon
Turris was 55% for faceoffs in the playoffs.
Turris was 1st in regular season points and 1st in goals in the playoffs. There is no way if you swap each player that Lecavalier would have produced as well as he did if he played for the Sens. Lecavalier obviously played on a better offensive team with better offensive teammates.
Turris is better defensively... he plays tough minutes and rarely ever makes mistakes. He's close to perfect defensively. Size and physicality makes no difference whatsoever.
Xspyrit
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Yes, our best goal scorer since Heatley left NEEDS to go!
We don't need to substract a talented player if we acquire another. ADD talent, substract depht (O'Brien, Regin, Latendresse, Kassian, I don't care)
Silfverberg-Spezza-Michalek
Turris-Lecavalier-Alfredsson
Conacher/Pageau-Zibanejad-Neil
Greening-Smith-Condra
That's an awesome top-9, heck top-12 is solid as hell
And we have so many other prospects looking for a spot! Alfredsson can't retire soon enough!
Sensinitis
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Meh, we don't need him. If Zibanejad pans out he'll be at Vinny's level in a few years. Unless Vinny becomes our Spezza replacement, in which case that's more interesting...
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In any case, I'm not comfortable losing any of our centers except maybe Smith. We're at a stage now where a top winger is the top priority so Vinny would be redundant!
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In any case, I'm not comfortable losing any of our centers except maybe Smith. We're at a stage now where a top winger is the top priority so Vinny would be redundant!
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