News Article: Lebreton...UPDATE - Agreement made with NCC.

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PlayersLtd

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the pic that was posted said there was as much as 1.2 cubic metric contaminated soil. PlayersLtd math was for 1.5 metric tonnes. the newspaper articles numbers seemed way off by his calculation so I asked. No one was talking about 10 acres. (hey)
The second article is pretty clear that the $170M estimate is for the entire area. I think this puts my numbers further into perspective as they seem reasonable as a proportion of Lebreton as a whole.
 
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Micklebot

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the pic that was posted said there was as much as 1.2 cubic metric contaminated soil. PlayersLtd math was for 1.5 metric tonnes. the newspaper articles numbers seemed way off by his calculation so I asked. No one was talking about 10 acres. (hey)
10 acres is the current project, if you aren't talking about 10 acres you might be in the wrong thread, since this thread is all about the 10 acres parcel which the sens would be developing. The estimated cost you cited was for a 50 acres parcel, making it difficult to draw any conclusions from for a 10 acres development..
 

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We may have a situation that the clean up and remediation will exceed the fair market value of the ten acres.
And therefore the NCC will sell the land at a loss as the federal government has with countless sites subject to their Federal Contaminated Sites Action Plan.
 

Stylizer1

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10 acres is the current project, if you aren't talking about 10 acres you might be in the wrong thread, since this thread is all about the 10 acres parcel which the sens would be developing. The estimated cost you cited was for a 50 acres parcel, making it difficult to draw any conclusions from for a 10 acres development..
We were discussing something different. You made a mistake, it's okay.
 

Micklebot

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We were discussing something different. You made a mistake, it's okay.
The newspapers were talking about the full cost of remediating the soil of 50 acres, PlayersLdt excluded costs that don't change whether the soil is contaminated or not, since you need to dig a big hole either way for an arena unlike in the original project where there was going to be green space that needed to be remediated, in a hypothetical dig of 1.5 metric tons to make a point, that's why the numbers were significantly different, but also irrelevant to the cost of this project since we aren't remediating 1.2 m cubic meters of soil, not even close.

Even if you assume the entire new lebreton project (all 10 acres) is at the deepest depth of contamination (16m according to the pic) you'd only have roughly half the 1.2 million cubic meters of contaminated soil, ~205m*205m*16m = 672400 cubic meters of contaminated soil, but that won't likely be the case since the pic clearly shows that there is no 10 acre space that is entirely the darkest orange, more on the actual location later.

The point is you're estimates for 10 acres based on an inflation adjusted price of the total 50 acres project make no sense, the sens won't be on the hook for an extra 150 mil in remediation costs,

As for the location, the original ~6 acres plot was on Albert between Preston and city center, pretty much dead center so that people could go to either station, in the light orange area of the picture you posted. Not sure where the extra 4 acres are coming from, but likely attached either west or east along Albert. Either way, it looks like they'll be avoiding the most contaminated areas.
 

Stylizer1

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The newspapers were talking about the full cost of remediating the soil of 50 acres, PlayersLdt excluded costs that don't change whether the soil is contaminated or not, since you need to dig a big hole either way for an arena unlike in the original project where there was going to be green space that needed to be remediated, in a hypothetical dig of 1.5 metric tons to make a point, that's why the numbers were significantly different, but also irrelevant to the cost of this project since we aren't remediating 1.2 m cubic meters of soil, not even close.

Even if you assume the entire new lebreton project (all 10 acres) is at the deepest depth of contamination (16m according to the pic) you'd only have roughly half the 1.2 million cubic meters of contaminated soil, ~205m*205m*16m = 672400 cubic meters of contaminated soil, but that won't likely be the case since the pic clearly shows that there is no 10 acre space that is entirely the darkest orange, more on the actual location later.

The point is you're estimates for 10 acres based on an inflation adjusted price of the total 50 acres project make no sense, the sens won't be on the hook for an extra 150 mil in remediation costs,

As for the location, the original ~6 acres plot was on Albert between Preston and city center, pretty much dead center so that people could go to either station, in the light orange area of the picture you posted. Not sure where the extra 4 acres are coming from, but likely attached either west or east along Albert. Either way, it looks like they'll be avoiding the most contaminated areas.
It's still ok.
 

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