Post-Game Talk: Leafs win.
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Atomos2
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Holl is just f***ing awful. Muzzin too for that matter. Putting those two together is a defensive nightmare.
ottomaddox
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Kind of a bad game to watch. 2 teams farting all over the ice.
TOR needs to be way better in every aspect of their game.
TOR needs to be way better in every aspect of their game.
This X 1000. How is it that we can’t beat the simplest of opponents. I don’t care if this team is emotionally fragile. They have had 5 years to get past this. The problem is and always has been they rely to much on their skill rather than putting in 100% effort on each and every shift. I have learned that anything in life most people skate by on their natural talent most of the time, the truly successful people put in the work along with the talent. You would have thought that the coaching and management staff would have addressed this by now. From now on if people take off shifts they sit in the press box.
Rielly was guilty of a half dozen plays where he was caught flat footed, made a boneheaded play or just didn’t hustle. Nylander too which is why he is such a frustrating player because if he had the motor of Hyman he would be top 5 in scoring IMO. Matthews also needs to start asserting his will on players, he is 6”3 and 220. Push some people around.
I swear to god if I see him, Nylander or Marner loop around the net one more time rather than attack the net I am gonna lose it. Crash the net, every team we play knows they never go to the front of the net. It’s the same reason why our PP is a disaster because every team know we don’t attack the net. Lastly why is Rielly on the PP1, guy couldn’t QB a power play to save his life. Put Sandin or Dermott or Liljegren in there. At least some of those players have a shot from the point. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. It’s been two seasons of this garbage, enough already.
Surprised fans don't care about the regular season and put more emphasis on winning a crap shoot tournament at the end of the year. As long as they do well in the playoffs where a crap team can make the finals and a great team (Tampa) lose in the 1st round. Fans say anything can happen in the playoffs for a reason. Winning the regular season is by far a better gauge of how good a team is than winning a tournament.
Gary Nylund
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You're probably right. It's just that those few are such massive homers, that they absolutely never leave home and their yaps are rarely shut (these last few days have been mercifully quiet though) so it seems like there are many more of them than there actually are.
I mentioned it earlier as the highlight of the night for me.
I'll say it again - Tavares has taken was too much grief around here for a guy who has been good for about a PPG since he arrived in town and is always classy. Guy's a gud pro, still a very good player (and a consistently good player) and while people complain about his contract, thinking about what our centre depth would be without him is a bit scary.
NHL teams are good, even the worst ones and on any given night, any team can beat any other team. Winning is never a disgrace. Never.
It's all relative. If the team was firing on all cylinders and on a hot streak, a game like this wouldn't be worth celebrating. In the current context though, it's a different story. We've had a slow start to the year, are coming off a couple of really uninspiring games, the angst of the playoff failure(s) are still hanging over the team like a dark cloud, in those circumstances it's easy to wonder if the team will ever win again. Then we go down 2-0 and a big part of the fanbase is ready to fire everyone who can be fired, trade everyone who can be traded if not just completely fold the franchise and be done with it. So yeah, in that context, coming back and actually winning the game is 100% a confidence builder. It's just one baby step so no need to overdo it and it's definitely nothing to brag about. But it's at least a little bit of a confidence builder, there is zero doubt about that, at least not in my mind.
Baby steps baby. Baby steps. GLG!!
You just saw a demonstration of why the Leafs need to trade Reilly, or sign him for 3M.
1. He has no quickness left
2. He has no speed skating backwards
3. He is so insecure in his backwards skating He frequently turns to forward when facing an opponent coming in on him on him and turns the wrong way.
4. He cannot break an egg with his shot
5. He wouldn't defend a team mate
He is not elite except in Toronto eyes.
1. He has no quickness left
2. He has no speed skating backwards
3. He is so insecure in his backwards skating He frequently turns to forward when facing an opponent coming in on him on him and turns the wrong way.
4. He cannot break an egg with his shot
5. He wouldn't defend a team mate
He is not elite except in Toronto eyes.
Gary Nylund
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Championships are awarded in the playoffs, that's just the way North American sports work. And for that reason, playoff performance carries a lot more weight than regular season games, that's just the way it is. Not saying that the regular season is 100% meaningless, but when for many years in a row a team does well during the season but keeps choking in the playoffs, how good that team is is debatable. More than any other sport, hockey is a different game in the playoffs, so it's also fair to wonder if a team might be a good regular season team but not built for the playoffs. And since playoff success is what fans (and players) all want in the end, well you can fill in the blanks from here.
HespelerGreenFlash
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Your ilk are part of the problem. No wonder its been 54 years.
Bluelines
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Holl is not Holl this year, he looks slow, he looks like he is thinking the game slow too. Something wrong with him and I don't think it's physical.
The game plan on Muz is hit him early, hit him often and that will take the wind out of his sails. If I can see opponents do that as a game plan, his team mates should see that too, and they take a number and when they have the opportunity hit back. the other team has to know, you target our best defensive d-man, we are going to target you. Problem is the Leafs don't play for their team mates, they paly for the name on their back. As one smart Toronto media type said, they are playing for themselves, they just want to score to get the fly's off themselves.
Trapper
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Dubas has assembled a mediocre team. If the core 4 aren’t going, it’s underwhelming.
They got the win, can’t make the playoffs without them, but nothing looks different from what half here say the problem is and what the other half defend.
They got the win, can’t make the playoffs without them, but nothing looks different from what half here say the problem is and what the other half defend.
Almost every year the presidents trophy winner or the team with the 2nd best record during the regular season are considered the playoff favourites and most of the time one of those two win. So the regular season is pretty important. When a team wins the Cup but they finished the season with the 3rd best record I consider it a fluke and not indicative of the best team. Even though they won the playoffs. You are correct though many people consider the playoffs the end all be all. They just bought into the money making hype.
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I see the Holl offside clip, but is there one of the Matthews Tavares 2 on1 where AM stopped and had a smoke waiting for JT to get into the play?
Is there a team playing slower than the Leafs are playing now?
Is there a team playing slower than the Leafs are playing now?
JayfromNB1219
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can anyone please explain what the heck is it about justin holl that makes him both expansion draft protection worthy and a "top 4" NHL defenseman? I didn't see it last year and I don't see it this year...im hoping someone can enlighten me here...
Take the W and run boys
Take the W and run boys
Bluelines
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It's a tournament for sure and sometimes the best team does not win, you only have to beat 4 teams 16 times to win a trophy. A little injury luck a little puck luck and poof you are a cup champion. The thing is people growing up in hockeylandia don't dream of putting their names on the Presidents trophy, they dream of putting their name on the Stanley Cup. It's the gold standard for hockey excellence.
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President Trophy winners rarely win the Cup.
DarkKnight
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I know some want to be positive, but I’d ask was there anything you saw last night that boosted your confidence this group is a cup contender? I’d argue absolutely not, it’s big picture for me, not eking out a win in OT against a tire fire team.
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Peasy
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8 times in the last 35 years, I'm guessing but it may be a similar number for the 2nd place team. The rest of the league won the remaining half of the time. Playoffs are a crapshoot, anything can happen. I do understand the overwhelming majority of fans believe the playoffs are a better indicator. Nothing wrong with that, we just disagree.
That's not entirely true. If mitch puts up a measly 65 pts chances are the leafs don't make the playoffs. If you are top heavy you need your top guys to be good always.
Gary Nylund
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Some people would say that when a team loses the deciding game in the 1st playoff round 5 years in a row, that's not a fluke either. Especially when those games aren't close and it looks like the team never shows up to play when everything is on the line.
Outscored 11-2 in the last three series deciding games, 18-6 in the last four. You can point to regular season success all you want but like I said earlier, hockey is a different game in the playoffs and from where I sit, this is not a team that can sit on their laurels pointing to regular season success, this is a team with something to prove.
BigHulkingThickV
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This is one of the most wild hockey related comments I've ever read.
Gary Nylund
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Well of course we need to make the playoffs and if he has a poor season and we miss, that would be bad. I'm just saying that if he has 65 points but excels in the playoffs and is a big part of us going deep, that would more than make up for a sub par regular season.
vive la différence
When the regular season is done we will see which team will be the playoff favourite. They may not win but they will be considered the best heading into them. 82 games is a better indicator than a 4 game series. Much like any team has a chance on any given night.
