Post-Game Talk: Leafs win in SO after giving up another two goal lead

[Gary Nylund]

.476 in 60 minute hockey games
.643 when you add in the gimmicks

guess Bettman isn't so bad after all

I notice all the chirpers pretend like they didn't notice this post LOL.

I remember a few years bac we kept losing in shootouts and people were freaking out, then the next season we kept winning them with the same roster. OT and shootouts are nothing more than a massive variance fest and in playoff hockey, these gimmicks don't exist anyway.

This team has been an inconsistent shit show on the ice which is accurately reflected by the .476 PTS% when playing hockey. People chirping about points produced by a hot run in gimmicks are only fooling themselves.

I'm the one who takes all of the heat for saying that this will be a 110 point team again, even though I will end up being right. I get all of the concerns about sloppy defense, and those are the only concerns that I believe are actually accurate. The rest - Marner sucks, Matthews is overpaid, Reaves is Reaves, etc., etc., etc. - is all just noise for the sake of noise. This team had two big issues going into the season - team defense, and goaltending. Unless my eyes deceive, the second issue appears to have been solved. Team defense can be fixed throughout the season with a few trades, which is exactly what is going to happen. Will it be enough when we get to the playoffs? Who knows. I think it will be, but so do the fans of a handful of other teams. Until we get there, the only purpose of any of these regular season games is to accumulate points, in whatever manner possible. They are doing that, and in fact doing it quite well, despite what many are saying.

Says that guy who guaranteed that we will beat Boston, and then Buffalo, and then Chicago (again). You are nothing more than an over the top homer who puts zero thoughts into your posts, it's all just Leafs are going to win this and win that and go on a roll blah blah blah.

This is a team with a .476 PTS% when playing hockey that is on unsustainable roll when it comes to scoring gimmick points. Those are the facts but whatever, you keep ignoring the obvious truth and enjoy life in your fantasy world where the Leafs are "vastly superior".

 

[Gabriel426]

Perfect comparison. Jack Morris gave up 4 or 5 but would tough it out for 8 or 9. Both also had the ability not to surrender the tying run or goal.

Agree.

Would be interesting to see Jack pitch in today’s league where the manager will pull him after having runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs in the 4th bc that’s where Jack usually shut it down.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I don't know what happened to that guy. He was good defensively and even so-so offensively, and now he gets a new contract and he can't do EITHER?

Yeah, I don't care that he can't score as it's always been a bonus when he does, but his defensive play is way below par for him.

 

[Evilhomer]

I notice all the chirpers pretend like they didn't notice this post LOL.

I remember a few years bac we kept losing in shootouts and people were freaking out, then the next season we kept winning them with the same roster. OT and shootouts are nothing more than a massive variance fest and in playoff hockey, these gimmicks don't exist anyway.

This team has been an inconsistent shit show on the ice which is accurately reflected by the .476 PTS% when playing hockey. People chirping about points produced by a hot run in gimmicks are only fooling themselves.


Says that guy who guaranteed that we will beat Boston, and then Buffalo, and then Chicago (again). You are nothing more than an over the top homer who puts zero thoughts into your posts, it's all just Leafs are going to win this and win that and go on a roll blah blah blah.

This is a team with a .476 PTS% when playing hockey that is on unsustainable roll when it comes to scoring gimmick points. Those are the facts but whatever, you keep ignoring the obvious truth and enjoy life in your fantasy world where the Leafs are "vastly superior".

Okay, so when they end up at or near 110 points at the end of the season (and, no, they won't all be OT and shootout wins), will you still be using all those fancy emojis?

 

[Racer88]

Okay, so when they end up at or near 110 points at the end of the season (and, no, they won't all be OT and shootout wins), will you still be using all those fancy emojis?

You really think this group is a 110 point team

 

[horner]

How was timmins last night.

You really think this group is a 110 point team

I don't

 

[Mr_Fun]

We need to play way better yet 12-6-3 with all the injuries on defence, and Marner finally coming through. You take it.
Keefe has his flaws and he's shown them already this season, but the coach should get credit for keeping this afloat.

Keefe has made some adjustments (albeit very slowly at times); he's having to work with some non-nhl defencemen and two less than proven goalies. I have no problem with bagging on Keefe for stupid stuff, but in this situation, he's gotten the most out of what he has to work with.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Okay, so when they end up at or near 110 points at the end of the season (and, no, they won't all be OT and shootout wins), will you still be using all those fancy emojis?

I live in the present and try to stay grounded in reality. The reality is that this team has a .476 PTS% when playing regulation hockey, that's 5th in our division and 12th overall in the East. But by all means, keep living in your non-existent future fantasy land if you can't handle the truth. I'm OK with facing reality, it's only hockey after all, not a matter of life and death.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

I live in the present and try to stay grounded in reality. The reality is that this team has a .476 PTS% when playing regulation hockey, that's 5th in our division and 12th overall in the East. But by all means, keep living in your non-existent future fantasy land if you can't handle the truth. I'm OK with facing reality, it's only hockey after all, not a matter of life and death.

Come on with this take Gary. You really think that this trend will span the entire season? They've only played 21 games and have had some weird euro trip to deal with. It's a small sample size that cherry picked percentage will improve.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

How was timmins last night.

He was okay. I'll judge his contribution once he's up to speed after missing essentially the first 1/4 of the season.
If he can stay healthy that long.

 

[GoonieFace]

Can’t we all just get along and look forward to the inevitable playoff collapse

 

[Gary Nylund]

Come on with this take Gary. You really think that this trend will span the entire season? They've only played 21 games and have had some weird euro trip to deal with. It's a small sample size that cherry picked percentage will improve.

This isn't any kind of "take", .476 represents the entire season to this point, that's the opposite of cherry picking and IMO is an accurate representation of how badly we've played.

No I don't think they will be this bad the entire season, I'm confident they will wake up at some point but up until now, they've been pretty terrible.

We're lucky they've been on the right side of variance so far with gimmick points or missing the playoffs would even be something to worry about. As it is though, we're still in relatively good shape in this regard even though talk of winning the Presidents trophy has died down.

 

[BallardEra]

Some interesting numbers:

Are the 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs a paper tiger?

Relying on overtime and shootout wins and great individual efforts, the Leafs are playing chicken with the standings.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Evilhomer]

You really think this group is a 110 point team

I'm not exactly going out on a limb. They are currently on pace for 105 points. A win against Boston on Saturday puts them on pace for 108 points. I think everyone can acknowledge that they can play better than they have to this point in the season, and I would guess that the underlying numbers show that they actually have improved over the last 8 games (i.e., fewer goals against relative to earlier in the season). I also have no doubt that the defense will improve as we move forward by virtue of acquisitions that are inevitably made, particularly since they will now have a good amount of cap space to do so. Again, I'm not sitting here saying the Leafs are going to finish with 130 points and never lose another game. But, yes, I do think they will finish with a similar point total as last season. Crazy, I know.

 

[Evilhomer]

I live in the present and try to stay grounded in reality. The reality is that this team has a .476 PTS% when playing regulation hockey, that's 5th in our division and 12th overall in the East. But by all means, keep living in your non-existent future fantasy land if you can't handle the truth. I'm OK with facing reality, it's only hockey after all, not a matter of life and death.

You are basing your opinion on 21 games, and I am the one living in a fantasy land?

 

[Gary Nylund]

You are basing your opinion on 21 games, and I am the one living in a fantasy land?

Not sure what you think the word "opinion" means, but the .476 PTS% is not an opinion, it's a fact. Try these links:

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[LeafalCrusader]

That would be Ron Wilson esque.

There's galaxy braining then there's Ron Wilson esque lol.

 

[Jojalu]

Not sure what you think the word "opinion" means, but the .476 PTS% is not an opinion, it's a fact. Try these links:

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Minus the gimmicks, those games would have to be resolved in the playoffs. Then it just matters if they win. It is weird how so many games have gone to OT, but I don't care as long is they keep finding ways to win

 

[Evilhomer]

Not sure what you think the word "opinion" means, but the .476 PTS% is not an opinion, it's a fact. Try these links:

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Do you think 21 games is a sufficient sample size to put reliance on this statistic? If so, do you believe that Detroit, Washington, the Islanders, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are all better teams than the Leafs? Couldn't I just take the exact opposite statistic (regulation losses) and say that the Leafs are one of the best teams in the league because they are tied for third for fewest number of regulation losses? I assume you would disregard that stat, and you should, because 21 games is too small of a sample size to reach any conclusion. If it were, watch out for the Buffalo Sabres and their 9 regulation wins! Straight to the Cup final for that impressive group.

 

[Gary Nylund]

@Jojalu

In the playoffs, those games would be resolved playing regulation hockey which so far this season, we're not good at to say the least.

 

[Jojalu]

@Jojalu

In the playoffs, those games would be resolved playing regulation hockey which so far this season, we're not good at to say the least.

Yes. I suppose that is true. Playing poorly and getting to OT is what I wish would happen if they had to play poor in the playoffs.

 

[AvroArrow]

I live in the present and try to stay grounded in reality. The reality is that this team has a .476 PTS% when playing regulation hockey, that's 5th in our division and 12th overall in the East. But by all means, keep living in your non-existent future fantasy land if you can't handle the truth. I'm OK with facing reality, it's only hockey after all, not a matter of life and death.

So because they won in over time it doesn't count ? lol What's to say they wouldn't have won if it was 5 on 5 OT ?

We also have only 6 regulation losses which is the 2nd best in our division and 3rd best in the conference. No ones bitching about that.

People are just looking for something to complain about, like sorry that our team is winning games in OT and shootout ? lmao

 

[Gary Nylund]

Do you think 21 games is a sufficient sample size to put reliance on this statistic? If so, do you believe that Detroit, Washington, the Islanders, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are all better teams than the Leafs? Couldn't I just take the exact opposite statistic (regulation losses) and say that the Leafs are one of the best teams in the league because they are tied for third for fewest number of regulation losses? I assume you would disregard that stat, and you should, because 21 games is too small of a sample size to reach any conclusion. If it were, watch out for the Buffalo Sabres and their 9 regulation wins! Straight to the Cup final for that impressive group.

If you mean do I think that that stat accurately reflects how we've played regulation hockey this season then the answer is yes, that stat matches the eye test which says that we've played poorly this season. Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings, all I can say is don't worry about it too much, it's only hockey.

Yes. I suppose that is true. Playing poorly and getting to OT is what I wish would happen if they had to play poor in the playoffs.

I assume we're capable of playing much better than we have been and when we play our best, I think we can compete with the best of them. So far this season we've played close to our best so rarely, maybe 15% of the time or something like that? By the playoffs that'll probably go up to 70% or whatever which may or may not be enough to win a round. Hard to see us going much further than that but you never know I guess, we'll see.

 

[Gary Nylund]

So because they won in over time it doesn't count ? lol What's to say they wouldn't have won if it was 5 on 5 OT ?

We also have only 6 regulation losses which is the 2nd best in our division and 3rd best in the conference. No ones bitching about that.

People are just looking for something to complain about, like sorry that our team is winning games in OT and shootout ? lmao

Who said it doesn't count, of course it counts, don't you have anything better to do than to pollute this thread with this pointless straw man bullshit?

OT/SO wins count, they just don't mean squat when we talk about what this team might be capable of in the playoffs. You do understand that there are no shootouts in the playoffs and overtime is 5on5 right?

 

[AvroArrow]

@Jojalu

In the playoffs, those games would be resolved playing regulation hockey which so far this season, we're not good at to say the least.

So because we lost other games in regulation this year, we're going to assume that every game that went to OT/SO that we won, would have been regulation losses ? Or that we're going to use the point percent from other games and just apply it to our OT/SO wins ? Doesn't make any sense. Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Leafs are 7-4 in overtime/shootout this year, somehow people are making this a bad thing.