Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 3-0!!

[Winreims]

I love how people critiquing this win aren't giving any credit to the PK from what I've seen. Had Ottawa "outplayed" us, we wouldn't have killed off the 4-5 PP's.

 

[Leafsdude7]

To outplay a team means to surpass or "better" that said team. Ottawa did not They lost 3-0

You can outwork a team all you like (which they did as I've said numerous times), but this is the NHL. Outworking a team doesn't get you the win, the Leafs know all about that.

"Better" is a subjective term. You don't necessarily need to play better to get more pucks past the goal line between the goalposts. IMO, the term you're looking for is "out-result", not "outplay".

And I'm glad you're not our coach, because most of the time, the team that works harder gets the win in the NHL. Anyone who understands this game knows that you don't want a team of lazy mofos like Alex Semin or Alexei Yashin. They might get you a decent number of points, but they don't win you games.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

On CBC's hotstove, they were on the Leafs' case for being outplayed and getting the win, yet when they were discussing the Habs game, the guy second from the left said "The Habs keep finding ways to win" or something along those lines.

Couldn't that basically be said about the Leafs and tonight. Not our best game, but still found a way to win? I just find it funny that they made it a negative for us but a positive for the Habs.

 

[RealisticLeaf55]

Living in Ottawa makes this win so much sweeter. Gonna be some real butthurt people when I rock my jersey tomorrow.

 

[Leafsdude7]

Well, this team showed that they can play better against Montreal and Philly. I am not too worried about their game in the past 2. It's going to be up and down.

Eh. We played two excellent emotional games, but this team is still made up of a large part of the team that went 13-22-5 down the stretch last year. I'm not confident that those 2 games weren't the anomaly instead of this game.

 

[Hero]

Living in Ottawa makes this win so much sweeter. Gonna be some real butthurt people when I rock my jersey tomorrow.

God bless you.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

is it just me or can our 4th line score?

 

[Winreims]

"Better" is a subjective term. You don't necessarily need to play better to get more pucks past the goal line between the goalposts.

And I'm glad you're not our coach, because most of the time, the team that works harder gets the win in the NHL. Anyone who understands this game knows that you don't want a team of lazy mofos like Alex Semin or Alexei Yashin. They might get you a decent number of points, but they don't win you games.

Not getting in a pissing contest with you about the difference between outplaying and outworking.

And I'm glad you're not our coach. The team would be on antidepressants after each win that wasn't picture pefect...

 

[Puckstuff]

Living in Ottawa makes this win so much sweeter. Gonna be some real butthurt people when I rock my jersey tomorrow.

what would you say the ratio of leaf to senator fans are in ottawa?

 

[Penalty Kill Icing*]

Great win!!

Shutout for Scrivens, perfect PK!

Still need to get Kessel, Grabo going. Lets get a winning streak going...

is it just me or can our 4th line score?

I wouldn't mind 1 goal a week. That'd be nice to have. Sometimes, thats all it takes.

 

[DD03]

Last time I checked, at the end of the year you never look to see who out-played who, the only thing that matters is the scoreboard.

People are never pleased around here. Holy ****.

 

[Grant]

Living in Ottawa makes this win so much sweeter. Gonna be some real butthurt people when I rock my jersey tomorrow.

Love that

 

[anderson3133]

On CBC's hotstove, they were on the Leafs' case for being outplayed and getting the win, yet when they were discussing the Habs game, the guy second from the left said "The Habs keep finding ways to win" or something along those lines.

Couldn't that basically be said about the Leafs and tonight. Not our best game, but still found a way to win? I just find it funny that they made it a negative for us but a positive for the Habs.

Sadly, it's very believable.

I remember two years ago when Winnipeg dominated us one game, particularly their Powerplay, and Healy & co. basically surmised that it was a result of Byfuglien and Enstrom's spread-out offense on the blue line. They praised it to no end and the next game the Leafs tried a similar play and got burned once while the defensive pairing was in the midst of passing the puck.

You can bet what we heard Healy & co. talk about for the rest of the game

 

[Leafsdude7]

Not getting in a pissing contest with you about the difference between outplaying and outworking.

Fair enough, but if your issue with it is that the term "outplaying" means outscoring in hockey parlance, then just change every use of the former I've used with "outworking", as your definition of that word is the one I've been using "outplay" for.

And I'm glad you're not our coach. The team would be on antidepressants after each win that wasn't picture pefect...

Who said anything about being "picture perfect"?

It was a poor game. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect effort on top of results because effort breeds results. And besides, most every coach makes a living out of pointing out the mistakes teams make in a game. I would imagine if you look at Carlyle's press conferences, he'll always mention at least a few things they did wrong after wins.

I want my coach to preach effort and never be happy with the results. The second my coach starts getting satisfied with how the team is playing is the second I want him fired, unless he's just won the Stanley Cup.

 

[getyourselfsomerest]

"Better" is a subjective term. You don't necessarily need to play better to get more pucks past the goal line between the goalposts. IMO, the term you're looking for is "out-result", not "outplay".

And I'm glad you're not our coach, because most of the time, the team that works harder gets the win in the NHL. Anyone who understands this game knows that you don't want a team of lazy mofos like Alex Semin or Alexei Yashin. They might get you a decent number of points, but they don't win you games.

Exactly. I'm happy with the win, not happy with the effort against this Ottawa team. They barely had any proper scoring chances. Ottawa had 5-6 golden scoring chances thanks to poor D coverage and Scrivens is the only reason none of them went in. They were 9-6 last season too. An effort like this won't cut it against better teams(as evidenced by both games against Carolina.

 

[Liminality]

Not every victory has to be a perfect game. Take the points and work on making your game better for the next game.

 

[DD03]

I swear, we'll be the only fan base to win the Cup, and complain about it

 

[Grandrift145]

the way i see it

our defence and goaltending were very good

the offence scored enough goals to win


ottawa had only 1 or 2 chances in the slot all night

everything else was to the outside

yes they sustained pressure at moments

but so did the leafs


Ottawa is missing a lot of players

but they are a well coached team

i have a feeling Maclean will have them overachieve


lets stop being negative

the game wasn't perfect

but we won

 

[Winreims]

Fair enough, but if your issue with it is that the term "outplaying" means outscoring in hockey parlance, then just change every use of the former I've used with "outworking", as your definition of that word is the one I've been using "outplay" for.



Who said anything about being "picture perfect"?

It was a poor game. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect effort on top of results because effort breeds results. And besides, most every coach makes a living out of pointing out the mistakes teams make in a game. I would imagine if you look at Carlyle's press conferences, he'll always mention at least a few things they did wrong after wins.

I want my coach to preach effort and never be happy with the results. The second my coach starts getting satisfied with how the team is playing is the second I want him fired, unless he's just won the Stanley Cup.

Well it seems like you do. We win a game 3-0 when we didn't play our best, and your immediate reaction is to critique. Not every win is going to be an amazing game all around. Most teams win games by grinding it out and getting some breaks. Forget the fact that we killed our penalties, and scored 2 goals (+ an ENG), blocked shots, and got the shutout for our backup all the while battling injuries (+ chemistry issues) ourselves.

I'm not a coach, you are not a coach. We are fans/viewers. I like to leave the coaching to the professionals such as Carlyle. He knows what this team can do with a fuller lineup, and could likely chalk this win up to be a grind out game. We played well enough to win, so we move on and get better for Florida. I have nothing against critiquing a game (especially a loss), but the over exaggeration of tonight's win is ridiculous to me. They had six more SOG's than us, they didn't play all that great IMO, and like us battled a few injuries.

 

[Cor]

Missed the game tonight.... can some give me the positives, negatives, any highlights?

 

[saffronleaf]

Phil Kessel
‏@PKessel81
That @Bozie42 is a player

James van Riemsdyk ‏@JVReemer21
@PKessel81 @bozie42 best feet in the NHL

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He certainly wasn't playing great at the beginning but his game picked up huge after Carlyle screamed at him. He started winning alot more draws and he was hustling way more. There is no doubt that his shifting linemates affect his play. Look how good he was when Bozak joined him and Mac. That line was excellent and kadri nearly scored short side.

I agree about Kadri, This is why I never believe anything I read on message boards without watching a game, Orr was hardly bad tonight, and reading some comments about Kadri, I would have thought he scored in his own net. What I saw from Kadri was a very safe 3rd period of getting the puck deep. He also had a goal that probabiy was whistled down too quickly called back.

Not sure what some are watching here? Ottawa dictated it be played as an ugly game, as they should with key players out. Hard to paint a picasso when one team is intent on turning up the ugly meter on style.

A win is a win. Take it and bank the points.

 

[Brymas McCaberle]

This is not the first time we saw a sloppy game still resulting in a win.

Why all the fuss now?

 

[saffronleaf]

Except we still have our top point scorers and our highest paid players. Missing Spezza, Karlsson, and Michalek is worse than missing Lupul, Gunnarsson, and Frattin.

Fact is, the Leafs got outplayed, but found a way to win. Last year, they usually didn't find a way to win or win games they had no business winning. But still, they have to be better. Scrivens bailed them out about 5 times in the first two periods, and HAD to because of defensive breakdowns. It was the same way against both games vs. the Canes and guess what? They're a better team, and were able to capitalize. 21st PK, 23rd PP, outshot by Binghamton, almost no sustained pressure, they NEED to be better.

What about missing our #1 goaltender? I don't think there is one injury that could hurt Ottawa more than an injury to Anderson. Losing Anderson would probably be worse than losing both Spezza and Karlsson.

 

[CBinTokyo]

Missed the game tonight.... can some give me the positives, negatives, any highlights?

My View, likely to be wrong.

Scrivens played very well. Best I have seen him.

Kessel,while improving his 2 way play almost seemed to want to be making passes as opposed to shooting. He seemed to be trying too hard to be a playmaker and not playing his game.

JVR was doing alright. Quite a few times he forced himself in front of the net, but things didn't go his way.

Bozak has the best foot in the league! (bend em like Bozak!)

Defensively we were solid for the most part.

Our PP still sucks.

McClement was solid.

Kule and grabo still need to find offense.

Kadri was off. Not terrible, but just off.

Colton Orr played a lot... and did not seem out of place.