Is Treliving not a professional GM in big boy pants? Is Berube not a professional coach in big boy pants? They have responsibilities too, and they took actions that hurt his trade value - paying him more than he's worth (I'm not sure how you can pretend to disagree when you keep going on and on about how garbage Liljegren is), and healthy scratching him for 90% of games and setting him up to fail when they're looking to trade him.
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I lost patience with Liljegren after his poor playoff/post-deadline performances but considering he played reasonably well for the first 70ish games last season, it's pretty disappointing that he returned less than an utterly broken Olli Maatta and that we had to take Benning back too.
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The time line of most leaf prospects
New prospect…..this guy is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ
2 years in …….this guys a bum…..
3 year in……….t.he guy is useless.
Prospect just traded …..the guy is gonna break out on the new team and be awesome…..OMG what have we done.
New prospect…..this guy is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ
2 years in …….this guys a bum…..
3 year in……….t.he guy is useless.
Prospect just traded …..the guy is gonna break out on the new team and be awesome…..OMG what have we done.
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He got traded there, so now it's suddenly high on his list. Mirtle doing work for the agent.
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I don't know. I don't believe that this is a lawyer litigation moment: Berube 33% of the blame, Tre 34% of the blame, and Liljegren 33% of the blame.
Why don't you cut all the crap out of your discussion and tell us how Dubas would have dealt with Liljegren if he were in this situation.
How this organization can trade away Liljegren and Lafferty and expect to keep going is beyond me.
Lawyer litigation? Percentages? What the heck are you talking about? You're the only one trying to make this more complicated than it is.
It's simple. Lilegren's trade value was hurt by his recent play, but it was also hurt by Treliving overpaying him, and Berube not playing him or setting him up for success.
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Previous management would often pull the same stunt with players. Bringing in Mikko Lehtonen and Alexander Barabanov on mercenary prove me deals, give them zero runway to settle in and then explain dumping them for nothing as a promise to find them an NHL opportunity.
The common denominator is if you’re not in a team’s plans they won’t spend time building you up. Time to move on.
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SJ just represents an easier lineup to crack in a comfortable part of the world.
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Hopefully/probably not
A healthy core should have Benoit, Hakanpaa, and Timmins ahead of him, and Myers, Mermis, Rifai competing for exposure with him
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Lehtonen and Barabanov were overseas free agents that were signed to one year league minimum contracts as depth insurance in the covid year, under the agreement that they would be moved if they didn't earn a spot. We played them, and they didn't earn a spot over others, so we moved them for the expected return.
I'm not really sure how you're trying to equate this to re-signing an established, drafted mid-20s RHD for 3m and term, playing him for 1 game the next season, and then dumping him for a couple mid-low picks and a cap dump. Very obviously, not close to the same thing.
His play? Yes. His trade value? No.
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On the Sharks board they're pretty happy to see Benning gone and they didn't have to pay a great deal to move him.
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Sometimes you are forced to play the hand you are dealt.
Nope. He'll get waived. If not for the fact he is a fringe NHLer. They need to move cap space to allow the three players on LTIR to come off LTIR.
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The inference that Dubas wouldn't have signed Liljegren for (at least) $3m is highly amusing.
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Why would you play a garbage defenceman? It would only tank his value more, if he had any to begin with. Overpaying him was a mistake, he didn’t deserve to be in the lineup though
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Ok for comparison sakes now do the other contending teams in the league///
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I commented on the main board thread, but I liked Liljegren and find it weird how they dealt with him this season. Giving him a contract that's partly a show of faith, only to bench him following, what, a rough preseason? A bad game? Just seems unusual to me, especially when you're playing a guy like Connor Timmins ahead of him.
Regardless, as I also confessed on the main board... I have a blind spot for Swedish defenseman, especially if they can skate and have a little bit of size. If I were in charge, I'd probably fill the back-end with third pairing scrubs from the SHL, so my opinion is probably not one to be trusted. Bring back Carl Gunnarsson! Bring back Anton Stralman!
Onward and upwards, I suppose. Let's see how the money is spent.
Regardless, as I also confessed on the main board... I have a blind spot for Swedish defenseman, especially if they can skate and have a little bit of size. If I were in charge, I'd probably fill the back-end with third pairing scrubs from the SHL, so my opinion is probably not one to be trusted. Bring back Carl Gunnarsson! Bring back Anton Stralman!
Onward and upwards, I suppose. Let's see how the money is spent.
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Not a prospect, he was drafted in 2017.
He was at one time considered to go in the top 5 in his draft year, caught Mono, his ranking dropped off the table, was picked 17th, at the time it was thought to be a steal. I think fans were rightfully eager to see what he would become, and rightfully had high expectations of him. A Swedish RD with a projected high upside yeah people are goign to be excited. After more than a few chances to break the top 3, a series of unfortunate events like Covid and Marchand busting his leg impacted his development, he never really became what we thought he would become.
I hope he goes to SJ , becomes a top 2 d-man and proves that he was worth all the hype. You never heard him bitch or moan about his roster spot. Hard not to root for him. Sometimes shit dont work out where you are at and need a new start, Marchment, Bennett, Verhage, Reinhart are great examples of players who needed or recieved a fresh start and did the most of it.
This has nothing to do with Dubas, who signed him to a proper 1.4m contract. Treliving is the one that signed him for 3m.
He's not a garbage defenseman. He's had some struggles, but he deserved more than 1 game; especially considering the struggles our other depth defensemen have had.
