Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Nick Robertson (1 year, $875k)

[thewave]

Terrible game from him. I am off the Robinson train. I can't see the upside. He is getting worse too. The play dies with him always, he shoots the puck from anywhere and not thinking through his plays. I have seen beer league guys with a better hockey sense. He needs a reset, and its not on a team trying to win the cup "now". just like Lilly.

It's over. Almost anyone would be an upgrade on him now. Throw Alex out there until he regresses to this level.

Robertson was money wasted. Hope Alex can turn it around after this wakeup call. Nothing to lose.

 

[Anthrax442]

It's over. Almost anyone would be an upgrade on him now. Throw Alex out there until he regresses to this level.

Robertson was money wasted. Hope Alex can turn it around after this wakeup call. Nothing to lose.

Give the minutes to Grebyonkin, he is at least a better forechecker and he has the willingness to muck it up.

 

[blue stick]

Robertson is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma…

and he isn't doing himself any favours

 

[thewave]

Give the minutes to Grebyonkin, he is at least a better forechecker and he has the willingness to muck it up.

Both. Holmberg is also terrible. Reaves as well now he only gives 1 big hit every couple games and a fight every 10.

 

[Anthrax442]

Both. Holmberg is also terrible. Reaves as well now he only gives 1 big hit every couple games and a fight every 10.

Plenty of guys coming back, so they can all f**k off

 

[notbias]

Lorentz is useless offensively, Minten is a positional player and not going to play a high-tempo game, and people expect Robertson to have any success alongside these players?

I still think you give him a shot with players who can produce while depth is coming back, and if when the roster is full he hasn't done anything, then you make decisions.

There are still worse players on the team who don't deserve a spot and can sit over him.

 

[The Shadow]

Terrible game from him. I am off the Robinson train. I can't see the upside. He is getting worse too. The play dies with him always, he shoots the puck from anywhere and not thinking through his plays. I have seen beer league guys with a better hockey sense. He needs a reset, and its not on a team trying to win the cup "now". just like Lilly.

Bingo. No sustained pressure at all

Plenty of guys coming back, so they can all f**k off

 

[TMLAM34]

Move him for a 4th round pick, get something while you can.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Lorentz is useless offensively, Minten is a positional player and not going to play a high-tempo game, and people expect Robertson to have any success alongside these players?

I still think you give him a shot with players who can produce while depth is coming back, and if when the roster is full he hasn't done anything, then you make decisions.

There are still worse players on the team who don't deserve a spot and can sit over him.

I mean...he hasn't played all season with Minten and Lorentz? He has been tried with a ton of different linemates and quite frankly non of them work. He will likely be the first or second one out of the lineup and he has earned that.

 

[TheShape]

Robertson's just not a smart player, I defended him previously because I think Keefe yoyo'd him around a bit in the earlier years but at this point there's no more excuses. Skates well and has a deadly release, he could maybe become something in a sheltered system but it's not going to happen here.

 

[notbias]

I mean...he hasn't played all season with Minten and Lorentz? He has been tried with a ton of different linemates and quite frankly non of them work. He will likely be the first or second one out of the lineup and he has earned that.

Domi has been useless this year, who else has he spent significant time with? McMann? Holmberg?

I am not saying he will succeed, but he has been given no chance.

Lorentz - Minten - Robertson
Robertson - Domi - McMann
Robertson - Holmberg - McMann

Those are the lines he played the most time with...

Right after that it is Pacioretty - Tavares - Robertson, and that line is by far the best out of the ones he's been on... 100% GF, 70% xGF...

 

[ULF_55]

Domi has been useless this year, who else has he spent significant time with? McMann? Holmberg?

I am not saying he will succeed, but he has been given no chance.

Lorentz - Minten - Robertson
Robertson - Domi - McMann
Robertson - Holmberg - McMann

Those are the lines he played the most time with...

Right after that it is Pacioretty - Tavares - Robertson, and that line is by far the best out of the ones he's been on... 100% GF, 70% xGF...

What you're suggesting is there is no place for him in Toronto.

There are better players for the top 6.

He isn't a top 6 player.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Domi has been useless this year, who else has he spent significant time with? McMann? Holmberg?

I am not saying he will succeed, but he has been given no chance.

Lorentz - Minten - Robertson
Robertson - Domi - McMann
Robertson - Holmberg - McMann

Those are the lines he played the most time with...

Right after that it is Pacioretty - Tavares - Robertson, and that line is by far the best out of the ones he's been on... 100% GF, 70% xGF...

Not getting to play with $11 million players all the time does not mean he has not been given a chance. The players that get those chances earned them by impacting the game from the bottom 6 first. You want it handed to Robertson after he’s failed to do that.

Tavares is still Robertson's second most frequent forward teammate this year. McMann is third. And the idea of you scoffing at McMann's skill as a linemate as if he has no chance to produce while McMann has outplayed him dramatically is hilarious.

 

[notbias]

What you're suggesting is there is no place for him in Toronto.

There are better players for the top 6.

He isn't a top 6 player.

No, I am suggesting that we spread out the offensive talent when healthy and give him some decent players to play with for once.

Not getting to play with $11 million players all the time does not mean he has not been given a chance. The players that get those chances earned them by impacting the game from the bottom 6 first. You want it handed to Robertson after he’s failed to do that.

Tavares is still Robertson's second most frequent forward teammate this year. McMann is third. And the idea of you scoffing at McMann's skill as a linemate as if he has no chance to produce while McMann has outplayed him dramatically is hilarious.

I gave you his most common lines, his top 3, the best player this year has been McMann (still limited offensively), and everyone else has been terrible offensively.

 

[TheDoldrums]

No, I am suggesting that we spread out the offensive talent when healthy and give him some decent players to play with for once.



I gave you his most common lines, his top 3, the best player this year has been McMann (still limited offensively), and everyone else has been terrible offensively.

Why would most common lines be more meaningful than total TOI with each player? We’ve had tons of injuries and lines have constantly been shuffled. It’s still a fact that his second most frequent forward teammate this year has been Tavares.

And surely if you describe McMann as limited offensively, Robertson is also deserving of that description? As well as being limited in many other ways of course.

 

[notbias]

Why would most common lines be more meaningful than total TOI with each player? We’ve had tons of injuries and lines have constantly been shuffled. It’s still a fact that his second most frequent forward teammate this year has been Tavares.

I assume that chemistry is not a thing in your mind...

Also, the Tavares - Pacioretty - Robertson line was great.

And surely if you describe McMann as limited offensively, Robertson is also deserving of that description? As well as being limited in many other ways of course.

McMann is good off the rush, he isn't going to be setting up plays and working the puck around efficiently, not sure he plays well with someone like Robertson.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I assume that chemistry is not a thing in your mind...



McMann is good off the rush, he isn't going to be setting up plays and working the puck around efficiently, not sure he plays well with someone like Robertson.

Other players don’t need chemistry to stand out. McMann came in after being scratched and started scoring in the bottom 6. Last year Knies started off lower in the lineup and made an impact. They’re both much better forecheckers and adept at the net front stuff in comparison to Robertson. So why would they try to force Nick into the top 6 as he continues to struggle?

 

[notbias]

Other players don’t need chemistry to stand out. McMann came in after being scratched and started scoring in the bottom 6. Last year Knies started off lower in the lineup and made an impact. They’re both much better forecheckers and adept at the net front stuff in comparison to Robertson. So why would they try to force Nick into the top 6 as he continues to struggle?

You are saying top 6, I am not, you're arguing with yourself.

We have enough talent for depth scoring when the team is more healthy.

I just want him to have decent linemates before we throw him away for nothing.

McMann has 3 points in his last 16 games (started well then faded), that is a struggling player who will be put in the top 6.

Domi is struggling, will be placed in a scoring position and setup to succeed.

 

[fahad203]

Robertson is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma…

and he isn't doing himself any favours

He just needs to sit few games to regroup, mentally and physically

I think he has played a lot of games and forcing too much.

2-3 games from the pressbox, refreshes him

I still think there's more to him. He just needs to calm down a bit, do less

 

[TheDoldrums]

You are saying top 6, I am not, you're arguing with yourself.

We have enough talent for depth scoring when the team is more healthy.

I just want him to have decent linemates before we throw him away for nothing.

McMann has 3 points in his last 16 games (started well then faded), that is a struggling player who will be put in the top 6.

You’re complaining that he’s not playing with Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares so yes, you are saying put him in the top 6. They are not dropping any of them down to the 3rd line, which would significantly drop the TOI of one or more of our best players

 

[notbias]

You’re complaining that he’s not playing with Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares so yes, you are saying put him in the top 6. They are not dropping any of them down to the 3rd line.

You are once again making things up, can you point to where I said that?

 

[TheDoldrums]

You are once again making things up, can you point to where I said that?

Multiple times you’ve implied he should be with Tavares, do you read your own posts?

Who else would qualify as “decent” on your mind as we’ve established Domi and McMann are not good enough.

 

[notbias]

Multiple times you’ve implied he should be with Tavares, do you read your own posts?

No, I said he played well with Tavares, can you point this out as well?

You seem to lie a lot to try to make a point.

I want him surrounded by more offensive talent than McMann, Holmberg, Lorentz, and Minten.

Give him at least a passer, someone like Domi when he comes back (who has also struggled a lot).

I don't think I've suggested anyone specifically, just give him talent.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Give him at least a passer, someone like Domi when he comes back (who has also struggled a lot).

You literally said Domi was useless in an earlier post lol

Okay I’m done.

 

[notbias]

You literally said Domi was useless in an earlier post lol

Okay I’m done.

You keep making up what I said, I'll try to explain what I said.

Having been useless this year and being useless are not the same, Domi has proven he can be a good player and is a great passer, but he has also been useless this year.

It is the same as thinking there is an upside with Robertson and that he has not lived up to it so far this year.