Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[LeafEgo]

Genuine question:
At the start of the first season of John Tavares' contract he had just turned 28. People complain that a seven year contract was too long.
At the start of the first season of Auston Matthews' new contract he will have just turned 27. People complain that a four year contract is too short.
Could someone kindly explain what the perfect contract length should be?

Very different caliber of players. One is closer to a Seguin and the other an Ovi. If you're paying a player the highest price point in the league you should be expecting them to still be a top player in their early 30s.

 

[myleafs]

I'm not angry, I'm excited for next season. You probably don't realize it but this coming season will be our best chance to win the cup in the modern era. I do however feel sorry for all of you haters because if we do win you won't be able to enjoy the win as much. You're now stuck with either being wrong about Marner and Matthews or the Leafs winning.

First of all the regular season is meaningless to you now as you've put all of your eggs into the playoffs so you can't really enjoy that as much. But now you'll actually hope that the Leafs lose so that you were right to spend thousands and thousands of posts and hours bitching and whining about Matthews and Marner. I really do feel sorry for you because if they actually win you will have ruined it for yourself. Oh, you'll say it was all about the playoffs and that you were just waiting for them to step up and you'll pretend that you're just as happy but it won't change the fact that you've wasted an enormous amount of time being a hater. And the proof is what happened just a few months ago when we won in the first round. You instantly became the biggest homer for exactly 3 games and then went back to whining.

I'm not angry, I just feel really sorry for you and the rest of the haters. We have a really good chance this season. If we fail in the playoffs again you and your kind will be able to feel good about yourselves which is pathetic, but it's already too late for you to really enjoy this season if we do win it all. And that's really sad, for you.

So you feel sorry for him but then proceed to insult him and top it off by calling him pathetic....interesting

 

[666]

So you feel sorry for him but then proceed to insult him and top it off by calling him pathetic....interesting

Not just him. All the haters.

 

[myleafs]

Nothing is being done because of what people 'here want'. You get that right?

What a weird and disingenuous question.....

Not just him. All the haters.

which is ironic considering your being so hateful...again...interesting

 

[666]

What a weird and disingenuous question.....


which is ironic considering your being so hateful...again...interesting

It's not hateful. I truly feel sorry for pathetic degen gamblers. You can feel sorry for someone that you don't respect.

 

[Bomber0104]

It's not hateful. I truly feel sorry for pathetic degen gamblers. You can feel sorry for someone that you don't respect.

Confused, shouldn't you be golfing and not spending your time today sticking it to the haters on the Leafs section of Hfboards?

 

[666]

Confused, shouldn't you be golfing and not spending your time today sticking it to the haters on the Leafs section of Hfboards?

Tee time is 4pm today. I have some more time if you like.

 

[myleafs]

It's not hateful. I truly feel sorry for pathetic degen gamblers. You can feel sorry for someone that you don't respect.

Disagree with me and I dont respect you?...got it. I hate that you hate what the leafs are doing so Im going to be hateful towards you all while talking about how much I hate haters? Also, got it.

 

[Bomber0104]

Tee time is 4pm today. I have some more time if you like.

Good stuff, proud of you.

 

[666]

Good stuff, proud of you.

Thanks champ.

 

[Zonk]

Very different caliber of players. One is closer to a Seguin and the other an Ovi. If you're paying a player the highest price point in the league you should be expecting them to still be a top player in their early 30s.

Sorry, but your post is inaccurate.

Tavares was a PPG player last year. Sequin, although over a year younger, has not come close to that since the 2018-19 season.

As you stated: "If you're paying a player the highest price point in the league you should be expecting them to still be a top player in their early 30s." As a PPG player, Tavares is still performing at a high level, just not as high as he performed as a younger player.

I fully expect Matthews to perform at a high level when he gets to his 30's, but not as high as I expect him to perform for the next five years which should be his prime.

The Matthews contract is very good for both the team and the player. Some are worried that Matthews will be overpaid if he signs an 8-year contract that takes effect as he turns 31. Agreed. But don't assume that the Leafs will be the team overpaying at that time.

And by the way, you did not answer my question about the perfect length of contract for a player who is 27 or 28.

 

[666]

Disagree with me and I dont respect you?...got it. I hate that you hate what the leafs are doing so Im going to be hateful towards you all while talking about how much I hate haters? Also, got it.

I was referring to pathetic degen gamblers as I don't respect them but feel sorry for them. As to the Leafs haters it's not their opinions that make me disrespect them, it's the constant flip flopping and whining. It's the same for the homers. Check out any PGT when the Leafs lose.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[myleafs]

I was referring to pathetic degen gamblers as I don't respect them but feel sorry for them. As to the Leafs haters it's not their opinions that make me disrespect them, it's the constant flip flopping and whining. It's the same for the homers. Check out any PGT when the Leafs lose.

You are becoming the thing you say you dont like. Your like someone who says I am intolerant of intolerant people. You personally attacked someone with judgemental slurs and called them pathetic because you didnt like what their opinion on the leafs was? Do you see the disconnect?

 

[LeafEgo]

Sorry, but your post is inaccurate.

Tavares was a PPG player last year. Sequin, although over a year younger, has not come close to that since the 2018-19 season.

As you stated: "If you're paying a player the highest price point in the league you should be expecting them to still be a top player in their early 30s." As a PPG player, Tavares is still performing at a high level, just not as high as he performed as a younger player.

I fully expect Matthews to perform at a high level when he gets to his 30's, but not as high as I expect him to perform for the next five years which should be his prime.

The Matthews contract is very good for both the team and the player. Some are worried that Matthews will be overpaid if he signs an 8-year contract that takes effect as he turns 31. Agreed. But don't assume that the Leafs will be the team overpaying at that time.

And by the way, you did not answer my question about the perfect length of contract for a player who is 27 or 28.

The answer was there, it depends on the player.

If Matty lives up to his contract value he will get paid more on the next one - think what Ovi would have gotten if he came up for an extension at 31/32. He didn't, cause he was still under contract at the lower rate, and they won the cup the next year. Good business.

JT would get less right now. Bad business.

 

[Hellcat]

Everything has to do with contracts including playoff performance from a fan standpoint.
This is a fan forum and we evaluate a players worth differently than a player agent.
If the highest paid player in the league performs at a high rate in the regular season but then underperforms in the playoffs year after year begs the question…….why is he the highest paid player.
As from a team perspective you can bet your ass that a GM factors in how a player has performed in the post season relative to regular season.
Thinking they do not would be like saying that how a player produces 5 on 5 v PP v short handed has no bearing on player value.

As far as Jack, he was paid for the potential of getting there but once there if he had multiple years of reduced playoff production it would absolutely affect his next contract

.. if that is the case why are fans opinion germane to assessing the value of a contract if their logic is flawed to begin with? It sounds like in the bolded part you are trying to rationalize illogical bias?

Players who score are paid more, its simple logic. Can't remember the guys name but he was always on teams who ran deep into the playoffs, I think his name was Justin Williams. His nickname was Mr. Playoffs. Do fans who think Matty should get less because of his lack of team success also think JW should get more money because of his team success in the playoffs?

 

[666]

You are becoming the thing you say you dont like. Your like someone who says I am intolerant of intolerant people. You personally attacked someone with judgemental slurs and called them pathetic because you didnt like what their opinion on the leafs was? Do you see the disconnect?

Dude, think. They aren't pathetic because they have an opinion, they are pathetic because they constantly flip-flop that opinion and whine. It's the whining and flip-flopping that is pathetic.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Dubas chose to overpay, he didn't have to.
Good players will cost, I don't see what there is to be annoyed about.

Agreed, Dubas, Shanahan, and MLSE set the balls in motion with the those two, and once that happened, there was no turning back.
Personally, I’m happy that it’s only for 4 years because if the playoff failures continue, I would just as soon start the rebuild anyway.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Well it’s starting to look like they are running the same thing over again this season. Same coach, same core that can’t get it done in the playoffs. It’s going to be a long season and a short playoffs once again

Starting to? Think that's been standard operating procedure from Shanahan/Lou to Shanahan/Dubas to Shanahan/Treliving.

Is this the new copium we're huffing now to excuse the lack of results the past 7 years? Or is it toeing the Dubas philosophy of "we reward failure"?

I'm not offering any excuses because there are none, but I need to know who is responsible for copium getting over. Boomers? Gen X? Gen Y? Milennials?

Are you trying to tell me a player who is a 2 time SC winner for instance and known as a playoff warrior - this isn't factored into who wants hiim and how much they'll pay over a guy who has won nothing and doesn't elevate his playoff game ? Nonsense.

Generally speaking, pretty much. July 1 bonuses aside, these are literally regular season contracts paid from game 1 to 82 and are negotiated based primarily if not exclusively on regular season numbers.

There is no cap in the playoffs, and every player gets paid the same league bonus for making and advancing in the playoffs.

Phoenix should have a new stadium in 4 years…

The football team? Maybe.

 

[ACC1224]

What a weird and disingenuous question.....

It perfectly suited your comment.

 

[keonsbitterness]

It perfectly suited your idiotic comment.

So hfboards/leafs does not own the Leafs? My illusions are ruined.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

So hfboards/leafs does not own the Leafs? My illusions are ruined.

 

[Gabriel426]

If I understand correctly players also earn the eligibility to be paid more through individual achievements? e.g. Jaylen Brown making all-NBA entitled him to the super max extension. and the Celtics are likely happy with that outcome because it allows them to pay more than other teams could to retain their asset. and you would always prefer to have a superstar than not? and to fill out the roster lesser/role players might take less to play alongside a superstar on a contender, maybe to increase their chances of earning a payday down the road. as Bertuzzi and Domi seem to have done here.

Also NBA can truly have a top heavy team due to the game. Where unless it is a blow out or top guys getting in foul trouble, most contenders often use 8-9players regularly in the playoffs instead of all 12 players. Where as in the NHL, even 4th liners will get some minutes in a game.

 

[Zonk]

The answer was there, it depends on the player.

If Matty lives up to his contract value he will get paid more on the next one - think what Ovi would have gotten if he came up for an extension at 31/32. He didn't, cause he was still under contract at the lower rate, and they won the cup the next year. Good business.

JT would get less right now. Bad business.

Respectfully disagree.
GMs used to pay players in their 30's based on what they had done in the past. GMs got smarter and started to pay them based on what they expect them to do in the future.
When JT signed he was about to turn 28. Dubas likely knew that he would not be worth the AAV in the latter years of the contract, but expected him to perform at a high enough level in the earlier years to justify the terms of the contract.
You are entitled to your opinion that AM will get a higher AAV as he is turning 31, but to assume it as a fact is unrealistic.

 

[AvroArrow]

Remember when Matt Stajan was our 1C and we prayed for a true #1C ?

We finally got one who, one who commit the first 12 years of his career to Toronto and also happens to be one of the best players in the world. And people are bitching about it.

Like what did some of you think ? He was going to sign for 12? When he was a pending UFA with a full NMC. He could have easily forced Tre's hand and asked for a ridiculous number like 14 or walked straight to UFA where he would've got it, but he didn't.

So sick of people whining about this.