Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Peasy]

Thanks.
Matthews old deal is listed, do we know what percentage he got this time?

15.87%

So now the 2nd highest, but still behind McDavid's initial signing.

 

[leafs in five]

who is breadman?

 

[Stamkos4life]

*whose

Thanks for the correction.

It's a fairly common sign when you can't refute someone's arguments you attack their grammer.

I suppose it's my own fault expecting you could answer my question. I'll take note of that going forward.

 

[leafs in five]

stop attacking people's grammar, by the way your post reads like someone who's first language isn't English.

 

[IPS]

I guess the playbook is..."i'm trying to find the negative, i'm backed in a corner...blame Dubas!"

Trying to find a negative? It's pretty plain out man. It absolutely annoys me to no end that we have to overpay our players for them to play here. Me and many others are sick of this.

 

[francis246]

Thanks for the correction.

It's a fairly common sign when you can't refute someone's arguments you attack their grammer.

I suppose it's my own fault expecting you could answer my question. I'll take note of that going forward.

LOL I’m crying, you’re the one who started attacking his grammar* while having a ton of mistakes in your post.

 

[Evilhomer]

So many wasted words and empty justifications. The truth is that if this was an 8 year contract most fans would be happy. Conversely, if it was a 3 year contract, some fans would run themselves in circles justifying it as great for the team because that is just what fans do sometimes. It's all pretty irrelevant. The team has its best player for the next several season, and that is generally all that matters.

All of this stuff distracts away from how Treliving is going to fix this team's defense. He is making a hell of a bet on that defense and goaltending combination.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dubas created this, but AM, knowing the others are waiting for his lead, could have maybe not gone after every penny and on a term that suits just him. "They care deeply" lol

 

[TheDoldrums]

Thanks for the correction.

It's a fairly common sign when you can't refute someone's arguments you attack their grammer.

I suppose it's my own fault expecting you could answer my question. I'll take note of that going forward.

Basically every post you make involves insulting other people. Ironic given your avatar, as you come off as quite the clown.

 

[Brobust]

I actually think this is a great deal for both sides. Toronto get his 20s and he sets himself up for a massive final contract.

If Treliving can keep the team competitive, then Matthews will retire as a leaf.

 

[ACC1224]

Trying to find a negative? It's pretty plain out man. It absolutely annoys me to no end that we have to overpay our players for them to play here. Me and many others are sick of this.

Dubas chose to overpay, he didn't have to.
Good players will cost, I don't see what there is to be annoyed about.

 

[thewave]

I actually think this is a great deal for both sides. Toronto get his 20s and he sets himself up for a massive final contract.

If Treliving can keep the team competitive, then Matthews will retire as a leaf.

In a couple years if we are paying 30m+ for a C and two wingers we wont compete. Assuming JT moves on. 30m for 2c and a winger is fine.

 

[Bomber0104]

So many wasted words and empty justifications. The truth is that if this was an 8 year contract most fans would be happy. Conversely, if it was a 3 year contract, some fans would run themselves in circles justifying it as great for the team because that is just what fans do sometimes. It's all pretty irrelevant. The team has its best player for the next several season, and that is generally all that matters.

All of this stuff distracts away from how Treliving is going to fix this team's defense. He is making a hell of a bet on that defense and goaltending combination.

There's only so much you can meaningfully change over the course of a single off-season.

I wouldn't want a new GM to come in and start trading off pieces of the team within a month of arriving.

 

[francis246]

So many wasted words and empty justifications. The truth is that if this was an 8 year contract most fans would be happy. Conversely, if it was a 3 year contract, some fans would run themselves in circles justifying it as great for the team because that is just what fans do sometimes. It's all pretty irrelevant. The team has its best player for the next several season, and that is generally all that matters.

All of this stuff distracts away from how Treliving is going to fix this team's defense. He is making a hell of a bet on that defense and goaltending combination.

I think this year or TDL acquisition will be a good defenseman but I don’t hate our defensive core. This is probably the most mobile out defensive core has been since 2013/14? Offensively we should see a lot more production out of the defense which is something we’ve lacked. Klingberg I think is gonna surprise a lot of people.

 

[Zonk]

Genuine question:
At the start of the first season of John Tavares' contract he had just turned 28. People complain that a seven year contract was too long.
At the start of the first season of Auston Matthews' new contract he will have just turned 27. People complain that a four year contract is too short.
Could someone kindly explain what the perfect contract length should be?

 

[GoonieFace]

Phoenix should have a new stadium in 4 years…

 

[Jmo89]

Your post is barely readable.

Matthews signed his current deal back in February 2019. Since then only 2 contracts have surpassed matthews 11.634.

One was a Ufa signing in breadman, max term.

The other was Ufa Mackinnon after he won a cup, max term.

Not a single star rfa has signed for anywhere close to Austons contract. Add on that almost all of them signed for more than 5 years.

Now also consider not a single player, that I can find, has their contract as front loaded as matthews.

So for, what's most likely the most player friendly deal in the league, we got 1 season where matthews was top 2 in the league, ~2 top 10 seasons and 1 ~20th ranked season.

I would not say matthess earned his last contract and I very much doubt he'll earn this one.

Something I find funny is that on his last contract we were told that he negotiated based on a rising cap. Then the pandemic happened and the cap stayed largely stagnant. I think it's only increased 2M since he signed his last contract.

Now we are being told again that his contract is being negotiated with the rising cap in mind. In the end he got to negotiate two separate contracts based on a single rise in the cap. He already negotiated his last contract based on the upcoming cap increases.

 

[LeafSteel]

who is breadman?

Panarin

 

[Notsince67]

There are those that will find the negatives in this. The reason being.. they find negatives with everything, generally being negative people. It's pretty clear reading through the posts. This has nothing to do with logic, it's just they are negative people.

Personally, I don't mind this deal at all. I'm not tied to Matthews long-term, and am concerned about his ability to physically be healthy enough to perform when needed, and maybe just overall concerned about his ability to raise his game when needed. I'm patient enough to not want to throw very talented players overboard yet, but would say this gives us enough time to make future decisions. He's been THE best goal scorer in the league, since he joined, and it's hard to replace that, and he's rounded out his game well too. But, we need his wrists healthy, and we need his BEST in the playoffs, and we haven't seen that yet.

I like that there are no NMC/NTC in this deal. If it's not working out for us, he'll be moved, and that's a positive for the Leafs.

He's a star, and an incredible goal scorer when healthy.. but he hasn't always been healthy, and that's happened too often. We have five more years of control, so if it doesn't work out for us, we can still trade him for a randsome, with two to three years left on the contract.

I get the desire to have him controlled for 1 + 8 years... but I think given his wrist problems, and our lack of playoff success, and likelihood an 8 year commitment from Matty likely means NMC, that this is the better outcome for us.

I don't mind that he gave no huge discount. I understand that there are other players in the league that will do that bit the Leafs have not shown that they have a handle on spending resources in a way that ensures success. This team has wasted money time and time again. Why should Matthews pay for the bumbling

 

[ACC1224]

Genuine question:
At the start of the first season of John Tavares' contract he had just turned 28. People complain that a seven year contract was too long.
At the start of the first season of Auston Matthews' new contract he will have just turned 27. People complain that a four year contract is too short.
Could someone kindly explain what the perfect contract length should be?

Depends on the person.

 

[AvroArrow]

Phoenix should have a new stadium in 4 years…

For the Suns ?

 

[Racer88]

You do know contracts have nothing to do with playoff performance. I don’t get why that is constantly brought up. Players never have and never will be paid for playoff performance it’s virtually a non factor in contract negotiations. You get paid for what you do in the regular season.

Jack Eichel got 80 Million and never made the playoffs up until recently.

Everything has to do with contracts including playoff performance from a fan standpoint.
This is a fan forum and we evaluate a players worth differently than a player agent.
If the highest paid player in the league performs at a high rate in the regular season but then underperforms in the playoffs year after year begs the question…….why is he the highest paid player.
As from a team perspective you can bet your ass that a GM factors in how a player has performed in the post season relative to regular season.
Thinking they do not would be like saying that how a player produces 5 on 5 v PP v short handed has no bearing on player value.

As far as Jack, he was paid for the potential of getting there but once there if he had multiple years of reduced playoff production it would absolutely affect his next contract

 

[LeafEgo]

You do know contracts have nothing to do with playoff performance. I don’t get why that is constantly brought up. Players never have and never will be paid for playoff performance it’s virtually a non factor in contract negotiations. You get paid for what you do in the regular season.

Jack Eichel got 80 Million and never made the playoffs up until recently.

If that were true savvy GM's would be looking to pick up all the strong playoff performers on the cheap that were for some odd reason not compensated for that critical contribution.

It's compensated for in the same way that all other value components are compensated, it's just harder to assess because regular season performance has a much larger impact and many players don't have the body of work to evaluate.

But for example feels like Kadri's contract has a playoff performance premium built in.

 

[myleafs]

Well it’s starting to look like they are running the same thing over again this season. Same coach, same core that can’t get it done in the playoffs. It’s going to be a long season and a short playoffs once again

And going by what many in here want, we will run it back again and again until theses guys retire.

 

[ACC1224]

And going by what many in here want, we will run it back again and again until theses guys retire.

Nothing is being done because of what people 'here want'. You get that right?