GDT: Leafs @ Sens - 7pm - TSN

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Jimmy Firecracker

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Well, that was a boring one. Not too much to glean. Stolarz and Hildeby were great. Holmberg, Kampf, Knies, McMann, and Robertson looked like actual NHLers compared to the rest. Unremarkable night for Cowan and Grebenkin. Alex Nylander was also unnoticeable which was surprising. An AHL deal seems about right for him.

Defence looked about as bad as we all thought it’d be. Benoit and Timmins played about as well as expected. Everyone else was woof.
 

Stephen

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Yup. Our A squad got beat by their B squad and it looks like our B squad is losing to their A squad.
Good times ahead. I wonder what the excuse will be tonight

I find tonight is a nice break from watching Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly. The pattern to that groups ups and downs is very repetitive and personally annoying when they give the B effort. So at least it’s not that.

I like our goalies a lot in this game. That’s the bright spot.
 

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A. Nylander needs to get blasted by his brother tonight. Stop coasting and looking lost.

Compared to Willie, Alex doesn’t look like a guy who built up his strength all these years. Really doesn’t have the powerful base or the confident handles of his brother.
 

Jimmy Firecracker

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Cowan may have taken a step back this fall. Doesn’t have the kid energy with Minten and probably not plying as free as he did last year with pressure in his own mind to make the team.

A. Nylander looks like a Marlie. Grebenkin definitely could use AHL time, just get acclimated and heavier. Robertson has hustle but isn’t even thriving at this level of competition. Steeves alright. McMann looks stone hands in close. Hirvonen reminds me of Kerfoot a little. Holmberg is customarily very vanilla. Kampf actually looks powerful and engaged out there.

Goalies have been impressive. Defense is just an organizational black hole.

To be fair our four best defence prospects were all out for this one. Chadwick was just sent back, Danford is injured, Webber played last game, and for whatever reason Niemela was scratched again.

Benoit is good and Timmins is a borderline NHLer but they couldn’t carry this stable of misfits tonight.
 

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I liked Robertson, Holmberg, McMann. All three played decently heavy, pesky games. Robertson stood out offensively, but also seems to be able to take hits and stay on his feet. He took a step in that direction already last season, so positive to see. Hopefully contributes to his ability to stay healthy.

Goalies looked stout. The rest, meh. Mattinen especially horrible; way too lackadaisical, soft and lacks IQ.
 
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If losing is your goal, great game.

Pre-season games mean nothing!
 

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The guy is like 26 and an own reclamation. The think he goes to the AHL but probably not a lot of hockey beyond that.
Mattinen is not NHL material, and he's too old to fit in a developmental league like the AHL.

Perhaps he could catch on in a lower level European league, or in coaching or player development.

I hope his hockey experience opens a door for him somewhere, but he just gave Leafs' management their easiest decision of the night.
 
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Stephen

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Mattinen is not NHL material, and he's too old to fit in a developmental league like the AHL.

Perhaps he could catch on in a lower level European league, or in coaching or player development.

I hope his hockey experience opens a door for him somewhere, but he just gave Leafs' management their easiest decision of the night.

Yeah I don’t think we’ll be talking much more about Mattinen the way tonight went.
 

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Goaltending was good.

Robertson seemed to be the only guy out there who could create much offensively. Knies and McMann are more Power forward type guys, who score goals off others work, but there wasn't anyone to feed them tonight. Kampf played decent, created some chances, but has hands of stone.

Grebenkin just didn't show enough, but wasn't terrible. Cowan isn't close to ready. A. Nylander just isn't anywhere near good enough.

This team needs some depth offense, and nobody really stepped up to claim that spot.

Disappointing night for Holmberg overall. He was given plenty of opportunity, and played quite a bit on the PP. But I can't recall him winning a single faceoff on the PP. It resulted in plenty of lost offensive zone time. Winning faceoffs in pressure situations is key if you are looking at options to perhaps replace Kampf in the lineup, or even further up. But tonight suggests he isn't that guy.

Quillan showed some effort, but lacked quality. Shaw had about one or two plays I remember, and was otherwise invisible. Hirvonen will end up back in Europe in a year or two.

I liked much of what I saw from Myers, and Rifai. Mattinen who I was excited to see, based on reviews and DEL player of the year... man... he's big. That's it. Doesn't really move much in the Dzone, isn't physical enough for a guy his size. Positioning isn't great...and of course the gaffe, which I'd overlook if he had an otherwise good game, but it wasn't that.

Timmins didn't show enough offensively to make up for weak defense. Benoit laid an egg. Mermis is a nah for me as well.

edit: forget to mention Steeves... I mean he scored our only goal... but it was more luck than skill, and otherwise didn't give enough reason to consider him for a spot.
 

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Speaking of Niemela, he really needs a look over guys who are clearly not in the plans on D. He needs a preseason NHL feel to take into the AHL season.
 
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Hockey question. What exactly do these pros do to play such terrible hockey in preason. Do they slow it down ? Or stop skating and pass too early...its like they all suck.
 

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I liked Robertson, Holmberg, McMann. All three played decently heavy, pesky games. Robertson stood out offensively, but also seems to be able to take hits and stay on his feet. He took a step in that direction already last season, so positive to see. Hopefully contributes to his ability to stay healthy.

Goalies looked stout. The rest, meh. Mattinen especially horrible; way too lackadaisical, soft and lacks IQ.
Agreed! Really was looking forward to watching stolarz here and he didn’t disappoint
 
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Leafs1991

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Hockey question. What exactly do these pros do to play such terrible hockey in preason. Do they slow it down ? Or stop skating and pass too early...its like they all suck.
When you haven't played in game situations in months, it can definitely take time to adjust.
 
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Cowan may have taken a step back this fall. Doesn’t have the kid energy with Minten and probably not plying as free as he did last year with pressure in his own mind to make the team.

A. Nylander looks like a Marlie. Grebenkin definitely could use AHL time, just get acclimated and heavier. Robertson has hustle but isn’t even thriving at this level of competition. Steeves alright. McMann looks stone hands in close. Hirvonen reminds me of Kerfoot a little. Holmberg is customarily very vanilla. Kampf actually looks powerful and engaged out there.

Goalies have been impressive. Defense is just an organizational black hole.
I can't believe the one guy you gave a compliment to was none other than Kampf.
 

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Compared to Willie, Alex doesn’t look like a guy who built up his strength all these years. Really doesn’t have the powerful base or the confident handles of his brother.

He reminds me of Josh Leivo. When he was moving you thought maybe he has skill but then, he just watched the play and lacked awareness. Pretty sure it was Leivo or maybe Holland? Either way he doesn't look engaged or like he is anticipating the play.
 
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