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Quick Shifts: Why the Maple Leafs believe Joseph Woll is ready - Sportsnet.ca

The Toronto Maple Leafs electing to start NHL newbie Joseph Woll Saturday in Buffalo can be seen as both an indictment of third-string journeyman Michael Hutchinson (who is still searching for a win at either the NHL or AHL level this season) and an endorsement of that hardworking, affable kid they drafted in this same arena back in 2016 — 61 picks after selecting Auston Matthews.

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And when Petr Mrazek was felled (again) by a pulled groin, it was Woll, not Hutchinson, who was recalled Sunday to stare down extra shots from Matthews and William Nylander all week.

"The big thing, as an organization, is that we really believe in him. We believe in his talent," says coach Sheldon Keefe. "In an ideal world, you would want him to get on a roll with the Marlies. As it turns out, there's an opportunity here."

Keefe was playing Saturday's starter card close to the vest — 25-year-old Swedish import Erik Kallgren was also an option, and his Marlies numbers are better than Woll's — but quietly let Woll know midweek that he'd be making the Show.

The St. Louis native is tight with his family. He said his first call would be to Mom once he found out he was getting a start.

“However you can get a special goaltender — whether drafted or traded for — it’s a big thing. The Leafs historically have had a lot of great goaltenders, from Johnny Bower,” a fresh-faced Woll said during a development camp.

“To start for the Maple Leafs, that’s my goal. I want to play here, and I want to be a guy who can lead this team to a Stanley Cup.”

Toronto is downplaying Woll's numbers. The 23-year-old holds a career 20-24-3 record for the Marlies and has yet to post a save percentage above .895 in any of his three part seasons.

Yet Woll believes the difficulty of jumping from college stud to rollercoaster pro has helped him learn some hard lessons, to work on both his mental and technical game.


“If they call on me, I’ll be ready. I’ve put a lot of work in. I feel confident in myself, and I feel confident in this group. It’s been a lot of development," Woll said this week.

“It’s been a long road, and I feel ready."

“It’d be pretty cool if everyone in my life could come and support me. That’d be sweet.”
 
Willy Styles for the win :yo:

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haha you guys always forget

Leafs are 32-72 all time in Buffalo's barn

Just 32 wins in 50 years down there

Buffalo is a graveyard for the Leafs when they play in their rink

Tonight will probably be more of the same because that's how they play down there

So your saying they are due for win? :sarcasm:
 
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Buffalo is always such a dreary opponent on the calendar especially when it's in Buffalo. I'm really surprised they did a Leafs Sabres outdoor extravaganza this year.
Easy way for Buffalo to rack up cash in a "home game"
 
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Quick Shifts: Why the Maple Leafs believe Joseph Woll is ready - Sportsnet.ca

The Toronto Maple Leafs electing to start NHL newbie Joseph Woll Saturday in Buffalo can be seen as both an indictment of third-string journeyman Michael Hutchinson (who is still searching for a win at either the NHL or AHL level this season) and an endorsement of that hardworking, affable kid they drafted in this same arena back in 2016 — 61 picks after selecting Auston Matthews.

.............................

And when Petr Mrazek was felled (again) by a pulled groin, it was Woll, not Hutchinson, who was recalled Sunday to stare down extra shots from Matthews and William Nylander all week.

"The big thing, as an organization, is that we really believe in him. We believe in his talent," says coach Sheldon Keefe. "In an ideal world, you would want him to get on a roll with the Marlies. As it turns out, there's an opportunity here."

Keefe was playing Saturday's starter card close to the vest — 25-year-old Swedish import Erik Kallgren was also an option, and his Marlies numbers are better than Woll's — but quietly let Woll know midweek that he'd be making the Show.

The St. Louis native is tight with his family. He said his first call would be to Mom once he found out he was getting a start.

“However you can get a special goaltender — whether drafted or traded for — it’s a big thing. The Leafs historically have had a lot of great goaltenders, from Johnny Bower,” a fresh-faced Woll said during a development camp.

“To start for the Maple Leafs, that’s my goal. I want to play here, and I want to be a guy who can lead this team to a Stanley Cup.”

Toronto is downplaying Woll's numbers. The 23-year-old holds a career 20-24-3 record for the Marlies and has yet to post a save percentage above .895 in any of his three part seasons.

Yet Woll believes the difficulty of jumping from college stud to rollercoaster pro has helped him learn some hard lessons, to work on both his mental and technical game.


“If they call on me, I’ll be ready. I’ve put a lot of work in. I feel confident in myself, and I feel confident in this group. It’s been a lot of development," Woll said this week.

“It’s been a long road, and I feel ready."

“It’d be pretty cool if everyone in my life could come and support me. That’d be sweet.”
I had big hopes for Woll from when we drafted him. His Marlies career has not given me much to be excited about, but I am hoping that playing behind a more structured team will give him the boost he needs to start forcing his way to the NHL
 
I had big hopes for Woll from when we drafted him. His Marlies career has not given me much to be excited about, but I am hoping that playing behind a more structured team will give him the boost he needs to start forcing his way to the NHL

I seem to recall that when the Leafs were in possession of the Sam Steel first rounder from Pittsburgh (before it was traded for Andersen on the draft floor), there was some talk they could take Carter Hart at 30 or 31. But Hart, Parsons, Gustavsson, Fitzpatrick and Woll were all seen second roun-ish goalies that the Leafs could fall back and take. Who knows what Woll will become yet, ut it kind of goes to show you really need to draft precisely and not rely on this drafting from a pool of interchangeable prospects.
 
I seem to recall that when the Leafs were in possession of the Sam Steel first rounder from Pittsburgh (before it was traded for Andersen on the draft floor), there was some talk they could take Carter Hart at 30 or 31. But Hart, Parsons, Gustavsson, Fitzpatrick and Woll were all seen second roun-ish goalies that the Leafs could fall back and take. Who knows what Woll will become yet, ut it kind of goes to show you really need to draft precisely and not rely on this drafting from a pool of interchangeable prospects.
Goalies are voodoo period.
IIRC hart was the only goalie talked about going in the 1st round.
Woll did really well in college and was being compared to Demko at the time so a worth will gamble
 
Goalies are voodoo period.
IIRC hart was the only goalie talked about going in the 1st round.
Woll did really well in college and was being compared to Demko at the time so a worth will gamble

I don't think goalies are necessarily voodoo. There's the holy trinity of 1) size/frame/athleticism 2) technique and 3) x-factor battle/second effort and it feels like the Leafs tend to miss the boat quite consistently on the right mix of 2 and 3 when it comes to the goalies they've struck out on. We've seen so many great athletic goalies come through and they just play the game like it's street hockey. Some organizations like the Kings have the recipe down to a science.
 
I don't think goalies are necessarily voodoo. There's the holy trinity of 1) size/frame/athleticism 2) technique and 3) x-factor battle/second effort and it feels like the Leafs tend to miss the boat quite consistently on the right mix of 2 and 3 when it comes to the goalies they've struck out on. We've seen so many great athletic goalies come through and they just play the game like it's street hockey. Some organizations like the Kings have the recipe down to a science.
I agree on everything you say here, especially the Rask fiasco (I still feel ill recalling that) but I still think goalies are voodoo. I mean all drafted goals have the 'trinity' and most don't make it, especially if you narrow it down to becoming a starter.
Then the other side of the voodoo are guys like Thomas or Hasek that shouldn't make it then become stars.
Imo that's voodoo too
 
I seem to recall that when the Leafs were in possession of the Sam Steel first rounder from Pittsburgh (before it was traded for Andersen on the draft floor), there was some talk they could take Carter Hart at 30 or 31. But Hart, Parsons, Gustavsson, Fitzpatrick and Woll were all seen second roun-ish goalies that the Leafs could fall back and take. Who knows what Woll will become yet, ut it kind of goes to show you really need to draft precisely and not rely on this drafting from a pool of interchangeable prospects.

No amount of scouting Jr goalies is going to tell you which ones of them are going to get injured a dozen times like Woll and Scott.
 
The epic show down of Leafs Vs Sabres, Blue Vs Dark Blue, New Vs Old, Woll Vs Dell.

Will the ex-Leafs come back and haunt his old team or will the young gun shows he belongs.
 
I had big hopes for Woll from when we drafted him. His Marlies career has not given me much to be excited about, but I am hoping that playing behind a more structured team will give him the boost he needs to start forcing his way to the NHL

He's big, has decent athleticism and his positioning doesn't look Sparks level bad

I watch him some nights and can't understand how the puck seems to just go through him like he's not there

The tools are there for him to succeed
 
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Buffalo is always such a dreary opponent on the calendar especially when it's in Buffalo. I'm really surprised they did a Leafs Sabres outdoor extravaganza this year.
NHL throwing Buffalo some additional gate revenue. The game sells out regardless of opponent.
 
they should try:

tavares - matthews - marner
nylander - kerfoot - kase

at least once in a while.

I like that nylander - kerfoot chemistry.
I'd like to see

Tavares-Matthews-Marner
Bunting-Kerfoot-Nylander
Semyonov-Kampf-Kase
Ritchie-Spezza-Simmonds

Wouldn't mind seeing Kerfoot and Nylander back on a line, but think Bunting and Nylander work well together as well. Their line has been dominant with both Kerfoot and Matthews centering them.

Really don't like Engvall on the 3rd line or in the lineup in general, but I like how Kampf-Kase have performed together. I also don't think Semyonov has been given a fair shot at all and think he would fit well on Kampf's defensive line.
 
I'd like to see

Tavares-Matthews-Marner
Bunting-Kerfoot-Nylander
Semyonov-Kampf-Kase
Ritchie-Spezza-Simmonds

Wouldn't mind seeing Kerfoot and Nylander back on a line, but think Bunting and Nylander work well together as well. Their line has been dominant with both Kerfoot and Matthews centering them.

Really don't like Engvall on the 3rd line or in the lineup in general, but I like how Kampf-Kase have performed together. I also don't think Semyonov has been given a fair shot at all and think he would fit well on Kampf's defensive line.
Kase is a potential 20 goal scorer we are not using properly by planking Engvall on that line. Engvall is a 4th liner but he also plays like he's 4 feet tall so he can't bounce Ritchie or Simmonds either.

Engvall has no place on this team. Leafs are in that top 5 area it's time to graduate from Engvall and give hungry adrenaline filled Marlies a roster spot. These same hungry depth players on our opponents always out shine guys like Engvall when we face them. One roster spot for a bunch of Marlies / rookies ensures that player never takes a night off. One night off and someone else gets a chance (not literally one). Sounds brutal but it's needed and gives that one roster spot importance.

Engvalls intensity suggests he's a 10 year veteran with a NMC. Get this bum out of here.
 
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Some asshat made a thread on the mainboards stating that Woll is the worst goalie of all time to get a start in the NHL.

If this wasn't the Leafs, people wouldn't even know Woll was starting. Centre of the universe, baby!
With a standard already so low, I can't believe the main board is becoming even stupider.

Edit: Wow, it's actually a regular poster on this board who started it.
 
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I don't think goalies are necessarily voodoo. There's the holy trinity of 1) size/frame/athleticism 2) technique and 3) x-factor battle/second effort and it feels like the Leafs tend to miss the boat quite consistently on the right mix of 2 and 3 when it comes to the goalies they've struck out on. We've seen so many great athletic goalies come through and they just play the game like it's street hockey. Some organizations like the Kings have the recipe down to a science.

You left out the 4th key factor, development... there is a reason why some franchises are considered a goalie factory (LA) and some are considered a goalie grave yard (Leafs), competent development vs whatever you call what the Leafs do. The last real impact goalie the Leafs developed was Felix Potvin, Reimer was the last consistent starter.
 
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