Leafs ranked 20th by Hockey's Future.

[charliolemieux]

Did I just hear Paul Hendricks, on LeafsPoV say Minnisota also had Rielly as the #1 overall?

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

20th? We traded away two consecutive 1st round picks. Its not a crazy notion.

 

[diceman934]

Not hard to understand at all.

The Leafs Prospects are all crap while teams like Detroit draft nothing but future all-stars.

Who are our stud prospects?

The list starts with Rielly and ends with Kadri....the rest are not high end prospects and every team in the league has players who are similar or better.

 

[charliolemieux]

Our Forward Prospects are weak period at this time.

Kadri and Fratin are going to be an NHL player.....the same can not be said for Colboune or Ashton yet they are among our top forward prospects. We have an abundance of 3rd/4th line forward prospects...no amount of feet stomping or wishful thinking is going to change this. Could there be a surprise in the bunch.....yes, but these rankings are based on more then wishes and hopeful surprises.

DET gets to have 23yr old Smith as their #1 prospect, while 22yr old Gardiner is no longer a Leafs prospect.

I smell something, and it reminds of the barnyard at my Grandpa's farm.

 

[charliolemieux]

Who are our stud prospects?

The list starts with Rielly and ends with Kadri....the rest are not high end prospects and every team in the league has players who are similar or better.

Yet DET is ranked 10th with a guy who is a year older and puts up similar numbers as Kadri as their #2 prospect, and a guy half as good as Gardiner as their #1.

 

[diceman934]

DET gets to have 23yr old Smith as their #1 prospect, while 22yr old Gardiner is no longer a Leafs prospect.

I smell something, and it reminds of the barnyard at my Grandpa's farm.

Yeah, it is a conspiracy I say.......

Where did each play last year? Smith played 14 NHL games last year....he played very well I may add and looks solid.

 

[Grant]

Did I just hear Paul Hendricks, on LeafsPoV say Minnisota also had Rielly as the #1 overall?

Interesting. Didn't see or hear the thing so I can't confirm or deny.

 

[The CyNick]

It's not based on one player so I don't know why you're only mentioning him.

And Morgan Rielly has more pure talent btw.

Call me in 5 years.

And then tell me why the Leafs have been garbage for those 5 years.

 

[diceman934]

Yet DET is ranked 10th with a guy who is a year older and puts up similar numbers as Kadri as their #2 prospect, and a guy half as good as Gardiner as their #1.

Who are our Elite prospects?

Gardiner is no longer considered a prospect so that dog does not hunt. Also Smith is much better then you think.....I like Gardiner better but Smith is good.

 

[charliolemieux]

Yeah, it is a conspiracy I say.......

Where did each play last year? Smith played 14 NHL games last year....he played very well I may add and looks solid.

So one season as a 21yr old and he isn't a prospect anymore?

So would that make a 23yr old who can't crack the lineup a bust?

I know I'm taking it a bit far but it is a flawed system.

I'm just saying the criteria for this is all over the map and some consistancy would be nice.

From what I understand different people do different teams. Just how the hell can you get any consistancy with that format?

 

[Mess]

DET gets to have 23yr old Smith as their #1 prospect, while 22yr old Gardiner is no longer a Leafs prospect.

I smell something, and it reminds of the barnyard at my Grandpa's farm.

Check out HF prospect criteria

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect/

 

[BlueBaron]

20th? We traded away two consecutive 1st round picks. Its not a crazy notion.

So we only count the picks traded away and ignore the ones we traded for ? Good system, Percy and Biggs say hi.

 

[charliolemieux]

Who are our Elite prospects?

Gardiner is no longer considered a prospect so that dog does not hunt. Also Smith is much better then you think.....I like Gardiner better but Smith is good.

And why is Gards not considered?
Why can a older player still be considered while another can't?
How does having two 23yr olds as your top prospects make you #10 in the league?


Rielly as a prospect is miles ahead of both. His potential ceiling is a future Norris candidate. Yet he gets no respect. We have maybe the #2 defensive prospect in the world and he can't drag us higher than 20th? And Kadri puts up very similar numbers to Nyquist but he's a bust at a year younger.

It just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[thecatch22]

But we have Colborne!

 

[charliolemieux]

Check out HF prospect criteria

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect/

So RNH is still a prospect because of 3 games?

Why is he not on the Oilers team prospect page?

There are way to many inconsistancies in this for me, to be taken seriously.

 

[charliolemieux]

Who are our Elite prospects?

Gardiner is no longer considered a prospect so that dog does not hunt. Also Smith is much better then you think.....I like Gardiner better but Smith is good.

Kadri is as good as Nyquist and Reilly is miles ahead of Smith in potential.

Yet one team is 10th and the other is 20th.

There is no rhyme or reason to these rankings.

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

Most Leafs fans will ALWAYS think the team has elite prospects. Always!!!

I'm not saying prospect ranking sites are gospel or anything... but they're a very good benchmark.

I know as an undisputed fact that if HF and the Hockey News both ranked the leafs top 5 in prospects, Burke supporters would be citing this at any chance available. None of us can even fathom how often they would be saying it.

What it probably means is that our prospects are simply mediocre.
I don't think ANYBODY thinks we have good prospects other than leaf fans. Nobody. Just leaf fans. The same leaf fans that ALWAYS think we have good prospects.
That alone says everything we need to know...

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

So RNH is still a prospect because of 3 games?

Why is he not on the Oilers team prospect page?

There are way to many inconsistancies in this for me, to be taken seriously.

It's truly amazing how far you go to form an opinion that isn't based on reality. It's actually an impressive amount of effort on your part.

I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that you think the leafs prospects are "good" regardless of anything that has happened, is happening, or will happen.
You'll ALWAYS find a lame excuse to ignore facts and reality, and fall back on your unsubstantiated opinion. This time it was "they didn't include RNH, so I'll ignore EVERYTHING they said. Why? Because they disagree with my opinion."

You "like" the leafs, so you think their prospects are "good".
Just like most leaf fans when Fletcher was GM. Or jfj. Or Quinn.
The fact that you somehow don't see this I find equally fascinating and alarming.

 

[JKsilverstick*]

RNH is a lot younger and still a prospect....he still can play Jr Next year as a 20 year old, so he is a prospect.....not really all that hard to understand.

Except he won't be in Junior, because he was with his NHL team the entire year, and therefore is not a prospect.

 

[diceman934]

And why is Gards not considered?
Why can a older player still be considered while another can't?
How does having two 23yr olds as your top prospects make you #10 in the league?


Rielly as a prospect is miles ahead of both. His potential ceiling is a future Norris candidate. Yet he gets no respect. We have maybe the #2 defensive prospect in the world and he can't drag us higher than 20th? And Kadri puts up very similar numbers to Nyquist but he's a bust at a year younger.

It just doesn't pass the smell test.

You are only focusing on a few players.....the issues is that it is a whole system of prospects that are graded.....we are lacking players who look to be future NHL players. I would say also the difference between 10 and 20 is not all the much.....it is when you look at the overall group you have to rank them and we rank 20th......

 

[Grant]

It's truly amazing how far you go to form an opinion that isn't based on reality. It's actually an impressive amount of effort on your part.

I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that you think the leafs prospects are "good" regardless of anything that has happened, is happening, or will happen.
You "like" the leafs, so you think their prospects are "good".
The end.

Charlio's main problem I believe (as is my problem with it) isn't so much where the Leafs are ranked, its where teams that we think are mediocre are ranked (Chicago and Detroit both being in the top 10).

 

[charliolemieux]

Most Leafs fans will ALWAYS think the team has elite prospects. Always!!!

I'm not saying prospect ranking sites are gospel or anything... but they're a very good benchmark.

I know as an undisputed fact that if HF and the Hockey News both ranked the leafs top 5 in prospects, Burke supporters would be citing this at any chance available. None of us can even fathom how often they would be saying it.

What it probably means is that our prospects are simply mediocre.
I don't think ANYBODY thinks we have good prospects other than leaf fans. Nobody. Just leaf fans. The same leaf fans that ALWAYS think we have good prospects.
That alone says everything we need to know...

OK I give up.

Rielly sucks. Kadri is a bust. Frattin was an aberation. Gardiner is a myth and a mass halucination. JVR will never become a decent player. Kessel is an old man. All the young players on the Leafs and in the system are pure garbage. Happy?

 

[charliolemieux]

It's truly amazing how far you go to form an opinion that isn't based on reality. It's actually an impressive amount of effort on your part.

I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that you think the leafs prospects are "good" regardless of anything that has happened, is happening, or will happen.
You'll ALWAYS find a lame excuse to ignore facts and reality, and fall back on your unsubstantiated opinion. This time it was "they didn't include RNH, so I'll ignore EVERYTHING they said. Why? Because they disagree with my opinion."

You "like" the leafs, so you think their prospects are "good".
Just like most leaf fans when Fletcher was GM. Or jfj. Or Quinn.
The fact that you somehow don't see this I find equally fascinating and alarming.

Charlio's main problem I believe (as is my problem with it) isn't so much where the Leafs are ranked, its where teams that we think are mediocre are ranked (Chicago and Detroit both being in the top 10).

Spot on Grant.

I don't care what they think of our players but when you look at the top two on DET and the top two on TOR you have to scratch your head as to why one team is ranked 10 spots ahead of the other.

And To Dicemans post since it fits here. THe others as most have said "every team has" So it has to be the top few player that make the difference in the ranking. Go and read the DET blurb. they're hit or miss longshots. it says it. HEre read it for yourself:

Strengths: Forwards Gustav Nyquist, Tomas Tatar, and Joakim Andersson, as well as defenseman Brendan Smith are the latest in a long line of Wings prospects who paid their dues at the minor-league level and are now ready to take a regular shift in the NHL. The Wings also have many extremely promising long-term projects in Teemu Pulkkinen, Tomas Jurco, Calle Jarnkrok, and Riley Sheahan.

Weaknesses: Many of the Wings top prospects such as Jarnkrok or Pulkkinen are long-term projects. Prospects such as Andrej Nestrasil, Landon Ferraro, and William Coetzee have developed much slower than expected and will likely never reach their potential. The Wings lack goaltending depth, a problem that was exposed this season when starter Jimmy Howard went down with injury and the team struggled to find an adequate replacement.

The Leafs have many promising long term projects too. The LEafs have Goaltending depth.

But no we're 20th and the allmighty Redwings are 10th.

Give me a break.

 

[diceman934]

So we only count the picks traded away and ignore the ones we traded for ? Good system, Percy and Biggs say hi.

Not at all....it is a fact that we traded away 2 first round picks....we also traded away the 39th overall pick to select Biggs.....that pick was used to select John Gibson a top rated Goalie.

 

[4evaBlue]

Our Forward Prospects are weak period at this time.

Kadri and Fratin are going to be an NHL player.....the same can not be said for Colboune or Ashton yet they are among our top forward prospects. We have an abundance of 3rd/4th line forward prospects...no amount of feet stomping or wishful thinking is going to change this. Could there be a surprise in the bunch.....yes, but these rankings are based on more then wishes and hopeful surprises.

Aside from the obvious #1C slot, the biggest thing we lack for our forward group is grit, size, net presence, etc. Our forward prospects should be able to fix that for the most part. It's not always about the individual strength of the players, but how they will fit into the big picture.