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MoreMogilny said:
All we will get is some of the same post game nonsense from this group

Talk about how the played well but move on

This group is so delusional. Entire organization top to bottom is a loser.
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It's the "participation" team.

Ever since Dubas was hired there was a total and complete lack of ownership of the results, both in season and at seasons end. And maybe it has been since Shanahan was hired, because as much as I hate Babs and the things he did, he did try to make these clowns accountable and they straight up quit on him.

I hate to break it to these guys, but, no, no you didn't play well when you have won 1 playoff round over 8 playoffs. And if you think you did, your head is up your ass way more than it looks.

You can have all the confidence in the guys in the room, but it has been a complete failure. The only accomplishment for these players has been their contracts and the odd award nom/win.

Anyway, none of that has much to do with tonight, just piggybacking off your accurate comments.
 
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Either Tre is terrible or he is Shanny’s hand puppet.
Nylander regressing to the mean was the most predictable thing ever and even started before signing that ludicrous contract that was terrible as soon as the ink dried. It perpetuates all the things that have prevented this team from success for years. Overpaid stars with no heart or competitive fire to win.
I think cash is king over winning in this town unfortunately. Sign high priced entertainers to placate the corporate crowd and jersey sales over building a winner.
 
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Marshy said:
Standing pat is the correct course. Start planning for 25/26. Maybe McJesus joins at just the right time.
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When McJesus loses all of his speed and getting 40% of his usual production on ice then he will join his hometown team. It just sounds about right and fittingly Leafy.
 
It would be nice to have a goalie that could consistently give you .900 goaltending.

I don't even care if he makes difficult saves. Just stop 9 out of 10 shots.

Over Samsonov's last 13 starts:
Samsonov gives the Leafs .900 or better goaltending: Leafs undefeated 6-0
Samsonov gives the Leafs less than .900 goaltending: Leafs winless
 
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Darcy Tucker said:
The only thing that makes me feel better is that I didn't pay hundreds to watch this game in person. At least get it to overtime.

City just hosted an All-Star game and 4 of you attended. Lose to Pierre Engvall.
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Poor result but that would have been an entertaining game live. Lots of chances, pretty good pace
 
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All Mod Cons said:
Because they lack concentration, understanding, a will to work, bravery, composure and structure.

But mainly I think it is understanding.

They always talk about learning from mistakes, but never actually learn from mistakes. They are the hockey team equivalent of a 5 year old.
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Leafs' puck management since Keefe's been coaching has been an absolute JOKE
 
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wingman75 said:
It's the "participation" team.

Ever since Dubas was hired there was a total and complete lack of ownership of the results, both in season and at seasons end. And maybe it has been since Shanahan was hired, because as much as I hate Babs and the things he did, he did try to make these clowns accountable and they straight up quit on him.

I hate to break it to these guys, but, no, no you didn't play well when you have won 1 playoff round over 8 playoffs. And if you think you did, your head is up your ass way more than it looks.

You can have all the confidence in the guys in the room, but it has been a complete failure. The only accomplishment for these players has been their contracts and the odd award nom/win.

Anyway, none of that has much to do with tonight, just piggybacking off your accurate comments.
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You nailed it.

Mike was an ass, but exactly the one they needed. He tried to make them accountable, while Lou tried to install a minimal amount of discipline with his old-school come in shaved and in suit attitude.

I get why people did not like them, but we needed both more than anything else and we had them.

You give kids free a pass and then expect Foligno to lead by an example. Foolish
 
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Divine said:
It would be nice to have a goalie that could consistently give you .900 goaltending.

I don't even care if he makes difficult saves. Just stop 9 out of 10 shots.

Over Samsonov's last 13 starts:
Samsonov gives the Leafs .900 or better goaltending: Leafs undefeated 6-0
Samsonov gives the Leafs less than .900 goaltending: Leafs winless
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You guys keep supporting this top heavy junk, then complain about poor goaltending. WTF do you expect out of the goalies?
 
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wingman75 said:
It's the "participation" team.

Ever since Dubas was hired there was a total and complete lack of ownership of the results, both in season and at seasons end. And maybe it has been since Shanahan was hired, because as much as I hate Babs and the things he did, he did try to make these clowns accountable and they straight up quit on him.

I hate to break it to these guys, but, no, no you didn't play well when you have won 1 playoff round over 8 playoffs. And if you think you did, your head is up your ass way more than it looks.

You can have all the confidence in the guys in the room, but it has been a complete failure. The only accomplishment for these players has been their contracts and the odd award nom/win.

Anyway, none of that has much to do with tonight, just piggybacking off your accurate comments.
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The organization definitely failed to set a standard for accountability

Certain teams around the league (the ones with consistent success) place a high value on establishing a culture within their groups that generates a buy in

Colorado a recent example. Boston as well. Vancouver is doing it now (you see it with how Tocchet is demanding his team play). Vegas probably the most extreme example with how quickly they pivot their roster and make clear and drastic changes when things weren’t going the way they wanted

Here this team just toils. Accepts being simply good. We’ve been okay making the playoffs regardless of the outcome. Expecting it to all magically come together. We can blame the big 4 or 5 for taking no discounts - but why should they if the organization sets no standards to live up to?

Nobody is afraid of playing this team. No identity has been created here that suggests this team is a force. There’s talent, but the overall group has been stripped down and Treliving had no choice this summer but to try to plug holes in a sinking ship.

The reset button should be pushed. Even if we don’t deconstruct this team. Something significant needs to change to signal a shifting mindset. I don’t Know the exact right answer, but we can’t just hope for a sudden and drastic improvement. This team isn’t close to a Cup. So do something to start building towards that.
 
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Divine said:
It would be nice to have a goalie that could consistently give you .900 goaltending.

I don't even care if he makes difficult saves. Just stop 9 out of 10 shots.

Over Samsonov's last 13 starts:
Samsonov gives the Leafs .900 or better goaltending: Leafs undefeated 6-0
Samsonov gives the Leafs less than .900 goaltending: Leafs winless
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Wouldn’t that average out the same though?

He probably has 1-2 games in those 6 he stole
He probably has 2-3 games in those 7 we should’ve won anyways

So idk he hasnt been good by any stretch, but he’s just another part of the problem, I don’t see a reason to single him out after this game
 
Despite the loss, there were some in-game positives I thought.

Samsonov was good again, good enough to win if not for the major errors by the players in front of him (3rd goal), a bad bounce (1st goal) and an embarrassing PP (2nd goal).

Thought the 4th line had a number of momentum changing shifts.

JT was making positive plays with the puck pretty much all night.

Benoit was really good again. Sign him up already.

Domi and Robertson were flying, could have used some additional ice-time.

PK was decent and found a way to get the job done despite missing two PKers.

Some concerning trends continue, like and inconsistent PP. Was almost the reason they lost until they got a nice PP goal in the 3rd.

Knies was very ineffective again. He will grow out of that, but for a team trying to win it is a bit of a problem.

Bertuzzi is officially a disaster. Played hard, some nice moments but never able to make the play when it matters the most.

The rest of the team didn't stand out as a plus or minus overall. Some good and some not-so-good throughout the game.
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
You guys keep supporting this top heavy junk, then complain about poor goaltending.
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Two of the Leafs goalies have a save percentage over .900 on the season.

When 2 out of 3 goalies have a higher save percentage, I think we can start looking at the one goalie that doesn't.
 
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The way ive seen it this year is we are far from elite. Probably middle of the road. Maybe win a round. And i have no idea how you can change anything to change my mind.
 
Aashir Mallick said:
Wouldn’t that average out the same though?

He probably has 1-2 games in those 6 he stole
He probably has 2-3 games in those 7 we should’ve won anyways

So idk he hasnt been good by any stretch, but he’s just another part of the problem, I don’t see a reason to single him out after this game
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I didn't think he looked good this game. His major problem is his rebound control.

Samsonov gets a routine shot, bobbles the rebound, and people blame the defense for not getting to the rebound first every time. If Samsonov can save the routine shots, like everyone on the ice expects him to then the defense looks better too.
 
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