Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 7-4 to the Avs - Contenders vs Pretenders

[TheGreenTBer]

He was with New Jersey devils organization

Good to know, thanks for that.

You're right though. I am a huge rebuild guy and have a very high tolerance for shit hockey while building the youth pool, but that team was absolutely horrid. Horrid for a purpose, and I believe in that approach to a point, but holy crap were they awful.

 

[wingman75]

Team has 23 players less than half have talent most are border line nhl players

The result of a top heavy cap structure.

How many other teams have 4 forwards making 10 bills? None? Ah.. imagine that.

 

[Aashir]

I don't know and quite honestly don't particularly care about the shot totals.

They can get outshot every game as long as they win.

Although I suspect they will outshoot Utah

Then how is it goaltending’s fault but never the players?

this was again the forwards fault, we had 19 total shots, we got dominated and made stupid turnovers and plays. We have the core 4 who should be able to go head to head against their core, we added another third line piece and we ended up putting 19 shots on net.

 

[Evilhomer]

That explains so much!

In my thirties, I switched to booze, which really settled things down. Then in my 40s I had kids, which ruined (and bankrupted) me more than any drug ever did.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The result of a top heavy cap structure.

How many other teams have 4 forwards making 10 bills? None? Ah.. imagine that.

And we still can't score in the playoffs!

 

[Roo]

Well, that was a craptastic performance. The fact that we could have won the game is beyond comprehension. We have played like crap for a while, and it was no different tonight.

The only positive for me was Stolarz. If we can even play decent in front of him he will steal us games. We need to turn it around for soon. This is not the same team defensively that we saw the first half of the season. Clearly another down for the season we need to work through.

 

[leafsfan5]

Fair enough but it was Ill advised for a smart player to not get it in deep marner has a history of bacc breaking plays

It definitely was, but that's Marner's game for better or for worse. Unfortunately for us, in big moments it's almost always been for worse

 

[PromisedLand]

No,, but I highly doubt this is the best we are going to see from them. That being said, is this really a winning environment they are walking into? Other than loser Thornton, every other deadline UFA we got has walked as soon as they had the chance (I think anyway). That should speak volumes about that room. I am sure it is a great room. But they all know it is not a winning room.

I digress... these guys both have term, which I like... and if the team wants to keep them, it is probably a must for deadline acquisitions.

ROR and Schenn's comments were interesting..... to me at least...

 

[JL17]

if he wasn't so deep in his net he would have had that goal

If he comes out there’s cross ice back door options.

 

[BurnTheBoats]

What the hell is Minten gonna do for us? You gotta go for it. I like Minten but he’s not an impact guy. Both those firsts aren’t going to be in line up until 2030+ if they even become anything. It’s one game, chill out

Give me Minten next year over Laughton 100%

 

[wingman75]

And we still can't score in the playoffs!

The irony is not lost on me

 

[arso40]

ROR and Schenn's comments were interesting..... to me at least...

They can say whatever they want they don’t want to play here probably cause everyone on the team isnt playing hard and giving it there all I’d even say no one is

 

[torontoblood]

Should never signed Rielly to such a long term deal at this much money. We’re stuck with his terrible contract until the 2029-30 season.

Should’ve kept and signed bertuzzi instead of domi last summer. Domi has been a total liability to the leafs this year meanwhile Tyler is outproducing him on Chicago this season.

 

[wingman75]

ROR and Schenn's comments were interesting..... to me at least...

Dude, they wanted no part of this 'team'. They left because they didn't see it as a winning situation. Acciari, Foligno, etc, etc, etc. They all saw the same thing. No one has proven them wrong yet.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Then how is it goaltending’s fault but never the players?

this was again the forwards fault, we had 19 total shots, we got dominated and made stupid turnovers and plays. We have the core 4 who should be able to go head to head against their core, we added another third line piece and we ended up putting 19 shots on net.

I stand by what I said, the 2nd 4th and 5th goals are all goals Stolarz has to have and usually does when he ias on.

It's OK to say he was awful tonight because he was.

it's not a big deal he will get it back.

doesn't change the fact he was awful tonight

 

[PromisedLand]

Dude, they wanted no part of this 'team'. They left because they didn't see it as a winning situation. Acciari, Foligno, etc, etc, etc. They all saw the same thing. No one has proven them wrong yet.

McCabe is the only guy I can remember who we traded for ended up re-signing with us

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

First time I have said this, this year but this loss is on Stolarz.

He was awful tonight, the 2nd, 4th goals and 5th goals, and I could argue the 3rd goal too, because that wasn't even a real shot but I will let that one slide.

But the 2nd, 4th and 5th goals and all goals he should have had and goals he usually does when he is on.

I'm sure he will get it back but he was awful tonight

The 4th goal? Pass from behind the goal line to a wide-open Drouin in the low slot... fine it wasn't the best shot from Drouin but it was a horrible d-zone breakdown and tough for any goalie to react to.

Otherwise I agree Stolarz was bad and unusually squirrelly in his movements and slow to track the puck. Hopefully just an aberration... but if he and Woll both get into a funk that's it for the season.

 

[wingman75]

I stand by what I said, the 2nd 4th and 5th goals are all goals Stolarz has to have and usually does when he ias on.

It's OK to say he was awful tonight because he was.

it's not a big deal he will get it back.

doesn't change the fact he was awful tonight

Right. Both things can be true. Goalie AND Team can both suck. Which they did. Neither one bailed out the other... team loss. But, the goalie does have the power to to be the single biggest difference maker.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Performance wise definite pretenders.

Talent wise it is there, but they should've moved off the same player they have X4 in Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Matthews at some point to try something different.

It's not there talent wise either. They lack #1 D and D depth as a whole until this year, depth is weak ever since the goofs signed these awful contracts, and ZERO leadership at any levels. They have a couple of skilled players, that's it.

In some ways, this team makes me love the sport more. Because operations like this always come up short and embarrass themselves as it always should in hockey. It's like karma.

It used to be the Leafs doing it to the Senators, then in a SICK twist of fate they made a fanboy of those Senators the GM. The rest is history.

 

[wingman75]

McCabe is the only guy I can remember who we traded for ended up re-signing with us

... and he came from an even worse situation in Chicago, and probably didn't know any better. But, he had term when we acquired him. I am more specifically looking at UFAs. Good call though.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Shanahan was the artichetect of this entire shitshow, if we bow out early again he needs to go or this entire fanbase needs to walk. 60 years of futility is enough. I remember being so happy when Stavros took over and Ballard was finally gone, yet here we are. Most inept franchise in pro sports for the last 6 decades.

I honestly can't believe the direction we have taken since that playoff exit to the Caps.

It took a monumental effort to f*** that situation up, and we managed to do it.

 

[PromisedLand]

I mean if we don't win in the playoffs I say bring in Torts or bring back Babcock

At least there would be entertainment

 

[wingman75]

Well, that is enough bitching from me. My wife thanks you all btw, she prefers to not have to listen to any of this... can't blame her.

See you ALL Monday night at 10pm? lol

fck

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The 4th goal? Pass from behind the goal line to a wide-open Drouin in the low slot... fine it wasn't the best shot from Drouin but it was a horrible d-zone breakdown and tough for any goalie to react to.

Otherwise I agree Stolarz was bad and unusually squirrelly in his movements and slow to track the puck. Hopefully just an aberration... but if he and Woll both get into a funk that's it for the season.

that's still a shot he stops when he's on I'm not overly concerned it's literally arguably his first bad game all year, MAYBE his 2nd but it's still a bad game from him.

 

[stickty111]

The fastest team against a slow team. This was not close