Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 4-2

[BallardEra]

I don't get how some people get worked up about this place. I personally don't care if anyone is overly positive, overly negative or in the middle. As long as people are respectful, I don't care. It's their view or opinion. Let them have it.

This team hasn't won anything since 1967 so I get why some are overly negative or overly positive.

Bottom line is we all want to see this team win at least one effing Cup. That we can ALL agree on.

I bet you if we were all sitting at a pub, rather than typing messages online, that we would all get along much better.

This is a place to vent, inform, talk or just hang out. People shouldn't get worked up about it.

Just have fun.

 

[egd27]

Same here. Not a conscious decision on my part, but for quite some time now I have the game on but am doing other things, I take a look when a goal is scored and maybe watch the last few minutes if that game is close. Last night was one of the few times when I watched the whole game and I can't say I was impressed.

I'm happy for Ottawa though, good to see them on the way up again!

I usually watch Saturdays with another couple as more of a social event, I doubt I've watched a full week night game this year.

 

[Commander Clueless]

This place is toxic only because everyone overreacts after every win and loss. Teams are allowed to lose a couple of games in a row. The great Tampa Bay Lightning, the team that everyone here loves to praise, lost three in a row before last night. Florida lost to Montreal and looked terrible doing it. It happens. These games of course have value for determining where teams land in the standings, but history shows that regular season games tend to have pretty low predictive value for the outcome of playoff games. Judge this team for what it does in games 5, 6 and 7 of a playoff series, not game 68 of the regular season.

It's not about losing a game here and there. It's cumulative. And boy is there a lot of accumulation.


If you think the negativity is an overreaction, you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Evilhomer]

That's fair. We can't make any moves now anyway so may as well wait until the playoffs are over, and if we win the cup the narrative will be different anyway. That said, we've been so bad lately, we're at full strength so no excuses, people were saying it takes time to adjust to a new coach/system so just wait until March, then we'll really be good etc. so it's understandable why many have given up and are starting to discuss our next moves already.

You predicted that we'd win the division, how are you feeling about that now? Still think we're going to do so? I don't see it myself, in fact I'd say the chances of Ottawa catching us are probably better than the chances of us winning the division.

Edit - the point that it's not just a few games, it's actually many years is also a valid one.

Yes, I do think the leafs will win the division. The question may actually now be whether that's a good thing or not. It looks like Ottawa and the Rangers may end up being the wild card team, unless Columbus keep pace, and there is an argument that the leafs would be better off playing Tampa in the first round than either of those two teams. People here love to remember what Vasi used to be, but I would not be thrilled to face Shesterkin in the playoffs.

 

[rumman]

I love JT. The guy could've played it safe and kept cashing cheques as the face of the Islanders--or screwed off to even bigger cheques and the obscurity of San Jose. He chose the harder road to come home while becoming a villain to the franchise that drafted him and made him their captain. I will always respect for him that.

But if we bow out quietly again--which seems highly likely--I think a split is essential with Tavares. It was worth a shot but didn't work out, and we have to go in a different direction rather than double-down on what appears to have been a wrong direction 7 years ago.

I’d keep him at 4 mil for a couple of years, but that ain’t happening because even with JT money will trump playing in the city he supposedly loves……

 

[myleafs]

This place is toxic only because everyone overreacts after every win and loss. Teams are allowed to lose a couple of games in a row. The great Tampa Bay Lightning, the team that everyone here loves to praise, lost three in a row before last night. Florida lost to Montreal and looked terrible doing it. It happens. These games of course have value for determining where teams land in the standings, but history shows that regular season games tend to have pretty low predictive value for the outcome of playoff games. Judge this team for what it does in games 5, 6 and 7 of a playoff series, not game 68 of the regular season.

Yea lets focus on what other teams...other teams that have had some success that we haven't. Thanks for the lesson, but I think I have earned the right to judge this team how I see fit thank you very much. Don't you have a prediction to make?

 

[Nineteen67]

Shanahan might be this and that and whatever, but it is the core group that is the fundamental problem.

Roster construction and mismanaged cap is the crux of the problem. That’s on management.

 

[Brown Dog]

I do wonder what a coach like Cooper could do.

For sure.

...on the other hand, I'm sick of this group constantly needing to be fortified by elite infrastructure in all areas.

If only they had good goaltending...
If only they had more depth...
If only they had a stronger D corps...
Now if only they had the best coach in the league!

At what point do these elite superstars earn the massive contracts they demanded and put the team on their backs to some success? Sadly, we know the answer is never.

 

[Brown Dog]

I do wonder what a coach like Cooper could do.

Duplicate post

 

[Metroid]

Shanahan might be this and that and whatever, but it is the core group that is the fundamental problem.

And he's the one that has power (we think) to change stuff. But has yet to. I've been pretty positive with the leafs, supporting Marner etc... I was always down for some change. ASomething needs to get done. Problem is now we have no first round picks for a bit so the easiest thing will be to stay safe.

 

[Stephen]

A problem Shanahan and company have refused to address, he’s the last guy in the organization who should get a hall pass imo…….

I'm just laser focused on Matthews, Marner and Rielly as being the biggest issues right now. But if you were to want to restart the whole franchise I would be on your side.

 

[myleafs]

For sure.

...on the other hand, I'm sick of this group constantly needing to be fortified by elite infrastructure in all areas.

If only they had good goaltending...
If only they had more depth...
If only they had a stronger D corps...
Now if only they had the best coach in the league!

At what point do these elite superstars earn the massive contracts they demanded and put the team on their backs to some success? Sadly, we know the answer is never.

I agree on all counts, however watching the last several games. man we play such a stupid system for the kind of players we have. If your gonna have 4 highly skilled ,no jam, soft forwards, then lets justs go balls to the wall offence and see if we can do some damage....it would at least be fun to watch cause lately its like watching paint dry.

 

[Metroid]

I bet you if we were all sitting at a pub, rather than typing messages online, that we would all get along much better.

Just have fun.

You know the best spots! Make it happen lol

 

[myleafs]

You're opinion certainly has merit considering what this team has done and where it currently sits. If Marner and Tavares walk then so be it. The only option that cannot be explored again is running this team back. Both the 26 and 27 picks have protection but regardless of that the team has to be reshaped in the offseason and if that doesn't work over the next two years you rip everything down to the ground and start over.

Buckle up

 

[Commander Clueless]

Winning the Cup is hard.

Indeed it is.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes, I do think the leafs will win the division. The question may actually now be whether that's a good thing or not. It looks like Ottawa and the Rangers may end up being the wild card team, unless Columbus keep pace, and there is an argument that the leafs would be better off playing Tampa in the first round than either of those two teams. People here love to remember what Vasi used to be, but I would not be thrilled to face Shesterkin in the playoffs.

Thank you sir, I needed that!

 

[Nineteen67]

Yes, I do think the leafs will win the division. The question may actually now be whether that's a good thing or not. It looks like Ottawa and the Rangers may end up being the wild card team, unless Columbus keep pace, and there is an argument that the leafs would be better off playing Tampa in the first round than either of those two teams. People here love to remember what Vasi used to be, but I would not be thrilled to face Shesterkin in the playoffs.

Vasi used to be a great goaltender, still is, but he used to be, too

 

[BallardEra]

Yes, I do think the leafs will win the division. The question may actually now be whether that's a good thing or not. It looks like Ottawa and the Rangers may end up being the wild card team, unless Columbus keep pace, and there is an argument that the leafs would be better off playing Tampa in the first round than either of those two teams. People here love to remember what Vasi used to be, but I would not be thrilled to face Shesterkin in the playoffs.

I can see Caps (1) vs Rangers (8) and a hot Shesterkin knocking them out. The playoffs in the East are wide open this year.

I think the Leafs match up better with Tampa for the 1st round.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't get how some people get worked up about this place. I personally don't care if anyone is overly positive, overly negative or in the middle. As long as people are respectful, I don't care. It's their view or opinion. Let them have it.

This team hasn't won anything since 1967 so I get why some are overly negative or overly positive.

Bottom line is we all want to see this team win at least one effing Cup. That we can ALL agree on.

I bet you if we were all sitting at a pub, rather than typing messages online, that we would all get along much better.

This is a place to vent, inform, talk or just hang out. People shouldn't get worked up about it.

Just have fun.

Great post!!

It's hard to understand people that get so angry, they start insulting people they don't agree with.

 

[BallardEra]

Great post!!

It's hard to understand people that get so angry, they start insulting people they don't agree with.

I look at it like this. If you and I were sitting face to face and talking, maybe agreeing to disagree, would I be screaming at you or vice versa?

I'm guessing the answer is no for both sides. Life is too short to snap or "hate" people on a message board of all places.

 

[rumman]

It's not about losing a game here and there. It's cumulative. And boy is there a lot of accumulation.


If you think the negativity is an overreaction, you haven't been paying attention.

This place isn’t toxic, it’s just full of sensitive fan boys imo, try visiting Philly or Biston’s forums after afew bad fames let alone five decades of ineptitude…….

 

[Nineteen67]

For sure.

...on the other hand, I'm sick of this group constantly needing to be fortified by elite infrastructure in all areas.

If only they had good goaltending...
If only they had more depth...
If only they had a stronger D corps...
Now if only they had the best coach in the league!

At what point do these elite superstars earn the massive contracts they demanded and put the team on their backs to some success? Sadly, we know the answer is never.

You listed some of the ingredients (add grit and snarl) needed to be a great team and they’ve never had that because of how they built and payed the roster.

 

[authentic]

I do wonder what a coach like Cooper could do.

Well you saw both of our series against Tampa, and that was when we had Keefe against Cooper. I’m not sure it would make a whole lot of difference.

Infact considering what this team did against a healthy Boston team last playoffs, with Nylander and Matthews out half the series, and Woll only playing 2 games, that may have been our time to do some damage if we had’ve had a healthy team. I fear it’s only going downhill from here, but I’ll let this postseason speak for itself and hope for the best once again.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Rielly is moveable. We're not getting a top prospect and 1st for him but he's moveable. And Mo doesn't seem like the type of dude to stand in the way of a trade. I'd rather allocate the 7.5m in cap space at this point.

Do you trust this management group to use that 7.5 mill prudently? I mean, who in the f*** scouted Laughton, Bob Nevin? I have seen NO redeeming qualities in this guy, he does NOTHING on the ice. And we traded a first for him? Nah, at this point, run them all back till we miss the playoffs and then clean house completely, starting with Shanahan.

 

[rumman]

Yes, I do think the leafs will win the division. The question may actually now be whether that's a good thing or not. It looks like Ottawa and the Rangers may end up being the wild card team, unless Columbus keep pace, and there is an argument that the leafs would be better off playing Tampa in the first round than either of those two teams. People here love to remember what Vasi used to be, but I would not be thrilled to face Shesterkin in the playoffs.

So it’s actually a good thing the Leafs can’t beat division rivals, got it……..