Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-2

[Gallagbi]

Missed the game, how bad were they?

Final Ron Wilson days bad

 

[Mr_Fun]

Missed the game, how bad were they?

Collectively awful. Very low energy.

 

[pbgoalie]

I'll be surprised if you don't win to be honest.

If we do, you guys really need to make some changes.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm coming to the conclusion that you need to break Matthews/Marner up to truly shake up the core of the team ... but trading either is a hard deal to win.

 

[Cynical]

This team needs a complete overhaul of its star players. You can't keep plugging in individual players while keeping the core and hoping they change. What typically happens is the players who are brought on take on the personality of their star players. Two or three of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Reilly and Nylander need to go.

 

[Eye Test]

Tonight's meltdown started with a great takeaway from Engvall on the PK who sped up the ice on a turnover. Not 10 feet beyond his own blueline with pressure on, he decides to lateral a pass to center ice which results in a goal against. He could have skated further before assessing options. He could have taken the win and curled the puck down into the corner to burn off another 20 seconds. But no.

This is a system issue, they are taught to waste as much time even if it’s riskier. Standard hockey is you just shoot it down the ice when the opp gets close.

 

[Stephen]

I'm coming to the conclusion that you need to break Matthews/Marner up to truly shake up the core of the team ... but trading either is a hard deal to win.

If I'm Toronto, I go to Matthews and get the long term commitment. If I have this, Marner is punted. Keep in mind, whatever we get for Marner also comes with cap savings and the culture change you're looking for.

 

[capfit9]

No worries i’m sure Knies will have this team turn around once he decides to sign

 

[Gabriel426]

Final Ron Wilson days bad

Collectively awful. Very low energy.

Basically nothing new.
I guess Sammy didn’t bail them out.

 

[Stephen]

This is a system issue, they are taught to waste as much time even if it’s riskier. Standard hockey is you just shoot it down the ice when the opp gets close.

Agreed. This team from management down to the player level has no idea what clock management looks like when a team isn't trying to actively possess the puck. Send the puck down. Create battles. Increase distance to your net. Leverage time. But nope. Hold the puck and do goofy shit with it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If I'm Toronto, I go to Matthews and get the long term commitment. If I have this, Marner is punted. Keep in mind, whatever we get for Marner also comes with cap savings and the culture change you're looking for.

Yeah I would do the same.

Marner is still going to do well wherever he goes though, so winning that deal is tough. People hate the Kadri deal, this could be almost worse (especially if Marner figures it out in the playoffs).

 

[Enniskillen]

where is deke and other dubas and keefe fan boys when things are tough? Nowhere to be found, as usual. Gibson, make it happen as Fleury had done it a few years back lol.

 

[Mr_Fun]

If we do, you guys really need to make some changes.

You're probably right, but I suspect the changes will be made if this trend continues when they return home.

 

[Cynical]

I just remembered that DUBAS exposed Jared Mcann (who has 5G + 3A = 8P in 9G by the way) in order to protect HOLL.
What. The. Actual. ****!!!!

If we made a list of the players Dubas let go to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander and Tavares together, you could probably construct a better team..it's actually embarrassing how many great players they have just let go for nothing.

 

[Enniskillen]

Man, Samsonov plays lights out every game, and that’s what they give him in return?

 

[colchar]

and lastly i'm tired of the non stop pimping of Tavares , the guys done nothing outside of net front on the pp , he's freaking invisible even strength so i'm left to wonder why mgmt has sent orders down to the media to constantly fluff him

 

[capfit9]

Missed the game, how bad were they?

 

[Optimist]

They won't care. Marner & Matthews both made 100k each tonight for their effort. Honestly, would you care?

lol. They made quite a bit more than that if you're going by their salaries divided by games played.

 

[Leafs87]

I cant remember the last time a team with our talent/expectations fired a GM at this point in the year

I dunno I think the perception is wrong about the team, but maybe that’s just me. You don’t win shit with this depth

 

[BallardEra]

Still early but that looks ugly.

 

[ShaneFalco]

it's a long season and they'll pick it ii p again but man the core needs to change, and with contracts and everything it has to be Nylander
Everyone is too comfy here - time to change that

 

[Superstar]

Heard there was a huge rift between Xbox vs PS5 console wars in the dressing room.

Probably fighting over who could hosts Friday night Fortnite like a man...

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Everyday I login here and see posts of people defending Dubas, Keefe, Shanny, the roster composition, the D core and I honestly think that I may be sane on an island of madness. Anybody looking at this roster, the way they play and think it's ok is an absolute plug.

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

You know, this might be the season you explore getting out of the Tavares contract if he plays well enough to up his value.

 

[The Legend]

This team is the opposite of gritty.

What do you call trading for Nick Foligno instead of Taylor Hall? And paying MORE?

What do you call Simmonds, Clifford, Muzzin...NICK RITCHIE?

Zero clue if the team is gritty or not but no doubt that the last few years, Dubas has made failed moves to go in that direction.