Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-2 | BREAK UP MATTHEWS AND MARNER!

[Anthrax442]

 

[Gary Nylund]

Game 3 highlights from the Florida series.

 

[horner]

Never? He definitely has, just inconsistent.

Very inconsistent

Last yr that talked more about his defensive play than his offense.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is a recording……Matthews, et at. once again can’t win the big game.

His figure skating routine during warm up is something to behold.

 

[francis246]

So true. I mean sure you can say that what he says to the media doesn't matter, only what he does on the ice but let's be real here - if you act in an unlikeable fashion, people aren't going to like you, that's just life.

Gary & @ToneDog thank you for bringing this up.

Why do you think the organization has gone so far in the direction to always protect Marner now? Don’t you think it has to do with the fact that earlier in his career, they failed to protect both Nylander and Marner?

People think Tavares is the reason we are having these cap issues with these guys. But the real reason is Matthews gets whatever he wants and that has definitely created tension among the the 3 (more specially Nylander and Marner) why are we surprised things have turned out the way they have? Matthews is put on a pedi stool getting all his bonuses, the other two don’t. That was really the beginning of the end. They should have done more to make everyone feel equal earlier.

 

[Anthrax442]

This is a recording……Matthews, et at. once again can’t win the big game.


His figure skating routine during warm up is something to behold.

He also hi fives really good

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gary & @ToneDog thank you for bringing this up.

Why do you think the organization has gone so far in the direction to always protect Marner now? Don’t you think it has to do with the fact that earlier in his career, they failed to protect both Nylander and Marner?

People think Tavares is the reason we are having these cap issues with these guys. But the real reason is Matthews gets whatever he wants and that has definitely created tension among the the 3 (more specially Nylander and Marner) why are we surprised things have turned out the way they have? Matthews is put on a pedi stool getting all his bonuses, the other two don’t. That was really the beginning of the end. They should have done more to make everyone feel equal earlier.

I'm not sure what you mean by "protect". In what way did they not protect Marner earlier and are protecting him now?

The best way to protect him would be to never let him anywhere near a microphone for starters. Step 2 would be to hire the best sports shrinks in the business to work with him. JMHO.

 

[shaner8989]

Try and tell me this team isn’t dog shit. You can’t

5 regulations wins in 19 is simply f***ing trash. Just like this team

 

[Nineteen67]

If there were no OT points ……

We got some work to do.

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If there were no OT (points) ……5-6-8 = 18 points.

 

[ToneDog]

Paul is not gonna like that when he checks in.

 

[francis246]

I'm not sure what you mean by "protect". In what way did they not protect Marner earlier and are protecting him now?

The best way to protect him would be to never let him anywhere near a microphone for starters. Step 2 would be to hire the best sports shrinks in the business to work with him. JMHO.

Nylander and Marner were constantly in Babcocks dog house. Both spent considerable time on the fourth line, would get called out by Babcock. Also the organization didn’t protect Marner during the babcock list thing. I think that’s why they protect him now, don’t call him, never say anything negative. It’s gone too far to the other side now.

 

[TheShape]

It’s crazy to me that Keefe hasn’t split Matthews and Marner even for 1 game this season.

It's pretty clear at this point the two want to play together and what 34 and 16 want, 34 and 16 get. Inmates run the asylum.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nylander and Marner were constantly in Babcocks dog house. Both spent considerable time on the fourth line, would get called out by Babcock. Also the organization didn’t protect Marner during the babcock list thing. I think that’s why they protect him now, don’t call him, never say anything negative. It’s gone too far to the other side now.

Hmm, OK. I'd say that's just two different coaches, one was a dick and the other is like you say - too far to the other side. I don't think the organization has any involvement there beyond hiring the coach. But now that I think of it, Keefe's job has to be in danger by now.

 

[TMLAM34]

It's pretty clear at this point the two want to play together and what 34 and 16 want, 34 and 16 get. Inmates run the asylum.

Definitely starting to look like that with those two.

 

[notbias]

bruh you say this season he hasn't split them up in the past 4-5 years

Exactly! Despite this evidence from last year, you are 100% correct.

 

[centipede2233]

Try and tell me this team isn’t dog shit. You can’t

5 regulations wins in 19 is simply f***ing trash. Just like this team

Did you know the last place sharks have 4, Columbus has 5, Chicago has 4….

The main issue is players don’t want to pay the price. Checking, going to tough areas, defensive play, rushing back, all this requires effort to the extreme, this team just doesn’t do that

 

[Nineteen67]

It has to be on management‘s conscience that Matthews might not be able to do it. I’ve said it many a time that because he didn’t grow up in a hockey culture, he may not have what it takes to win big in the nhl. He’s proven time and again that in the big moment games, he seems to disappears.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

It has to be on management‘s conscience that Matthews might not be able to do it. I’ve said it many a time that because he didn’t grow up in a hockey culture, he may not have what it takes to win big in the nhl. He’s proven time and again that in the big moment games, he seems to disappears.

I’m sure they know it but are too weak and feeble to pursue meaningful change. All the signs and opportunities to move a core player have been there for years now after playoff failure after playoff failure but they just don’t want to.

Pansy management which matches the product on the ice.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm not sure what you mean by "protect". In what way did they not protect Marner earlier and are protecting him now?

The best way to protect him would be to never let him anywhere near a microphone for starters. Step 2 would be to hire the best sports shrinks in the business to work with him. JMHO.

Get outta here with that psychology weakness. I’d be nice if they taught him to shoot the puck.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
Knies Matthews Jarnkrok
Robertson Domi Marner
McMann Kampf Gregor

This.

Enough is enough.

 

[Nineteen67]

I’m sure they know it but are too weak and feeble to pursue meaningful change. All the signs and opportunities to move a core player have been there for years now after playoff failure after playoff failure but they just don’t want to.

Pansy management which matches the product on the ice.

A core fundamental to being a leader of men is to reject passivity.

 

[rumman]

I’m just thankful 34’s new deal is only 5 years, always look on the bright side of life…….

 

[TheShape]

He's only getting a raise because of how disgustingly overpaid he is on his current contract. I still look at this contract to this day and can't wrap my head around how he got an amount that would overpay him as a UFA but as an RFA.

This is what blows my mind, but it's not surprising really. Marner will get his raise just by default cause that's how GM's in this league operate. I'd love nothing more than the organization to humble this guy and Paul and just move on already. With Marner's NTC that isn't going to happen though, ship has sailed. He's too important to MLSE marketing wise so I'm not holding my breath.

 

[ICBM]

Moving Marner up and down the lineup won't help.Marner has to be traded. Trade him, sign Willy, add character player instead.

A trade like Schenn for JVR would be ideal. Hell a 34 yo JVR would be a better partner for Mathews. 2013 Leafs almost beat Boston and were like twice grittier than current team.

 

[ToneDog]

I’m just thankful 34’s new deal is only 5 years, always look on the bright side of life…….

If it goes south, he might ask for a trade and we not have to see him in the putrid outfit he is wearing in that dumb RBC commercial.