Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

[ToneDog]

Heard Dubas chose Simmonds over Perry who begged to be a Lead at 2x the cost. I still can't believe it.

Simmonds worse than 16 with zero goals in his last 25 playoff games. #fireDUBAS.

 

[BigGulpsEh]

Leaf fans who hate on Kyle Dubas are idiotic. They clearly are not well adversed in the last 25 years of this club. He put together a phenomenal team and they underperformed. They have great prospect depth and their core is locked in. Kyle is not the problem. The players who underperformed to their abilities are to blame here. Kyle will make the adjustments he needs to, as he has done every year.

And where have all these adjustments taken the leafs every year?!?!?!

 

[socko]

Like Spezza? Bogosian? Both fantastic pickups. Our complimentary players were more than fine this series. How else do you think we got to Game 7 despite one goal from Matthews and Marner?

Dubas has an eye for talent. Galchenyuk was a good pickup too. I'd offer him a head scout position if he can't find anyone willing to give him a GM position. As a GM, which has additional requirements to spotting talent, he is complete garbage.

 

[stickty111]

We dont pay him to lose in the first round. We pay him for result, not just the process.

Dubas and his fanboys dont understand that adding 3rd and 4th line players with "grit and leadership" on your 3rd and 4th line or bottom pairing isnt going to cut it. Your problem is and always will be this core when you overpaid them and implicitly told them that they run the show. There is no accountability.

He can continue to experiment with the texture of his crust but it doesnt matter if the sauce and cheese of your pizza is spoiled. His head is too far in his @** to see the actual problems. If you cant see the problems. you cant fix it. Adding bottom forwards and defense isnt going to be the miraculous solution to this team. You need engaged first line players who have heart, leadership and give a damn.

Dubas' Record:
-Took over a franchise best Leafs team with 105 points to 100 points the next season to not making the playoffs to this joke
-Sucks at contract negotiations
-Traded 3 1st round picks; 1 for Muzzin, 1 for nothing in the Marleau deal and 1 for 11 games of Foligno
-Lost to a Zamboni driver
-Didnt make it to the final 16 last season when you were the favorites in your play in match up
-Lost again to the worst team to make the playoffs in terms of points; again the Leafs were the favorites
-He will always have losing to the Habs in a playoff series on his record

But yet Dubas isnt the problem. Dubas may be a fine GM later in his career but for 3 years he took over the best regular season team in franchise history and he has no playoff round wins to show for it, no 1st round pick, little cap space, and little flexibility. Oh and we have 3 draft picks this season and 3 next season. In case you didnt know, this isnt good.

And i hate to break it to you, the Canadian division may not return next year. We are back in a division with Tampa, Boston, Florida and Montreal. It possible we are playing Boston or Tampa in the first round. or we are a wild card team. This was the easiest first round match up the Leafs had in decades and the team lead by Kyle Dubas went quietly in the night.

First of all. Quit it with silly nicknames. It makes you look insecure which is common with Dubas critics.
So basically his issue was he listened to the big gritty group, instead of get good players which he has? I agree. Maybe he builds his team his way and not fall for fan pressure.
The fact your saying the Muzzin deal is bad tells me you aren't being objective.

 

[Tlo1]

I don’t know why Hyman was on the first line all series. He can’t even make a pass! Just drives head down. I knew game 6 & 7 if that line stayed intact we got no chance.

 

[Pi]

This.

Doesn't matter who is in net.

If a team can gain energy from their goalie making unbelievable saves, I am sure a goalie can also feel nervous when the team in front of him is playing tentatively.

After what happened in Game 5 and 6, the Leafs should have come out and skated their ass off and take it to the Habs and score a goal or two. They didn't do that. They were too scared to lose that they didn't even bother to try and win.

Campbell would be the last person I would blame for these 3 losses.

 

[Pookie]

I can't say it enough but the inability of our coaching staff to even attempt at breaking up Marner and Matthews is insane. They could have tried it for a period at any point of their series struggle but did not.

Their was no chemistry for over 400 minutes for that top line. All three of those players were struggling and the coaching staff decided to for some reason attempt to let themselves figure it out. Why?

Marner and Matthews have played seperatly before, yet Keefe sees them as conjoined? We basically played an entire series without a first line - Montreal literally focused all their efforts to do just that, and our coaching staff decided to attempt nothing to disrupt that.

Matthews runs the show.

he wanted to play with Marner.

Keefe does what Matthews wants.

 

[PromisedLand]

Start a poll on who to fire maybe? See who gets the most votes.

Dubas has screwed us so big i dont even know firing him does anything for the club immediately. It might take couple of seasons to straighten his mess

 

[redgrant]

Dubas has an eye for talent. Galchenyuk was a good pickup too. I'd offer him a head scout position if he can't find anyone willing to give him a GM position. As a GM, which has additional requirements to spotting talent, he is complete garbage.

Can't find a gm spot? I'll take him in Edmonton in a new York minute. It's not his fault marner went invisible.

 

[francis246]

Cores being broken up this summer IMO

It’s going to be Nylander that gets moved and that will be the wrong move. I just can’t see Marner getting traded. Who’s going to take on his contract?
I think they also need to let hyman go

 

[fahad203]

I don’t know why Hyman was on the first line all series. He can’t even make a pass! Just drives head down. I knew game 6 & 7 if that line stayed intact we got no chance.

Everyone knew. Except for our coach
Who kept the same pp all year

 

[Havoc]

Jones has one year left. You' have to be absolutely sure he would want to re-sign, and even then I don't think you trade a top 5 point producer for Jones and this is coming from someone who is finished with Marner.

If we're dangling Marner, Eichel is the guy to target.

Yeah I said in a previous post the condition of course is that Jones signs long term. Just to lazy to keep mentioning it lol

I'd prefer Jones over Eichel tbh but I mean, I'm also not going to complain if Eichel is wearing a Leafs jersey.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Leaf fans who hate on Kyle Dubas are idiotic. They clearly are not well adversed in the last 25 years of this club. He put together a phenomenal team and they underperformed. They have great prospect depth and their core is locked in. Kyle is not the problem. The players who underperformed to their abilities are to blame here. Kyle will make the adjustments he needs to, as he has done every year.

agree, hopefully some of those young players will be big parts of the depth next year, that’ll help a lot going forward. The big 3 taking up so much cap space makes it tough to fill in those roles.

 

[LaPlante94]

He gave Matthews a better deal than McDavid. He dramatically overpaid. 11.6 for 7 or 8 fine. He claims he did it for short-term cap space (a reach) and hasn't done anything team success-wise with it.

He did it because the cap was supposed to go up by like 5-6 mil which would have helped us a lot and made the contract not look as bad. Unfortunately COVID happened and ruined that. I'll gladly overpay a consistent 40-50 goal scorer and elite talent who is a #1 C by a little bit. Also, the 5 year deal thing is just so when he does sign him to his 8 year deal it'll only go until he's like 34 years old which is smart since that's usually around when players careers start to die down a bit.

 

[myleafs]

Has Dubas been fired yet?

I don't think he considered that the rocket winner would score 1 goal in 7 games and the leafs assist leader and ice time leader would shit the bed. If they live up to half what was expected from them we win the series pretty easy. That's not really on Dubas. The timid and passive style the leafs have, now that might be on Dubas.

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

Gotta feel for Campbell, poor bloke looked devastated after the game and in the post game interview.

 

[killer1980]

Probably a stupid question, but do you guys think it came down mostly to losing Tavares?

Like I said since Boy Genius decimated a contender, this is no playoff team. Dubas can wear that like an albatross till they kick him outa town.

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

Leaf fans who hate on Kyle Dubas are idiotic. They clearly are not well adversed in the last 25 years of this club. He put together a phenomenal team and they underperformed. They have great prospect depth and their core is locked in. Kyle is not the problem. The players who underperformed to their abilities are to blame here. Kyle will make the adjustments he needs to, as he has done every year.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. Fabulous adjustments he made this year, Simmonds was a physical force, Jumbo provided veteran leadership and was clutch on the pp, no key f***ups and keep him rollin. Foligno and Nash, Hutton... all exceptional additions to get us over the hump. Not to be negative, but cmon, man.

 

[Tlo1]

Fire Keefe Bring in Torts to lite a fire under the ass of these Prima donnas! I’d love to see Torts healthy scratch Marners ass!

 

[Torontonian]

Not even mad, expected it to be like this. The grit fans said thats why you need those players for moments like this game, so where was it? A first for a gritty plug in Foligno? Great move. While can't win with skilled player Hall is doing great for Boston who funny enough focused on skill. Hopefully Dubas gets another chancd to build this team his way, and not the way some folks wanted.


Umm yeah maybe don't build a team with plugs who can't play.

With that being said, a core player needs to go and thats magic money Mitch. Disaster series for passer expert. Knowing this franchise, they will trade Nylander because he actually showed up.

The grit is needed, like I said earlier in the thread you need players that can play hard in the playoffs. The leafs went after bargain bin players who don't provide much. Jumbo Joe and Simmonds are two perfect examples of this, completly useless in the season and during the playoffs. Nick Folingo was suppose to bring a element that we sorrowly lack in our line, the ability to play hard against and be able to forecheck to cause turn overs, instead we traded for someone that was hurt and couldn't bring it 100%. Trading and signing gritty players is fine, but they need to be able to play the game.

 

[93LEAFS]

He did it because the cap was supposed to go up by like 5-6 mil which would have helped us a lot and made the contract not look as bad. Unfortunately COVID happened and ruined that. I'll gladly overpay a consistent 40-50 goal scorer and elite talent who is a #1 C by a little bit. Also, the 5 year deal thing is just so when he does sign him to his 8 year deal it'll only go until he's like 34 years old which is smart since that's usually around when players careers start to die down a bit.

If he signs with us again. That's overplaying it, you take the 8 years. He gave Matthews .9 a year less than McDavid for 3 less years. That is terrible negioating.

He locked us into a positon contract wise which had no lee-way. Other teams have to adapt to the flat cap too. He wasn't ready to handle those 3 negotiations.

 

[Pookie]

First of all. Quit it with silly nicknames. It makes you look insecure which is common with Dubas critics.
So basically his issue was he listened to the big gritty group, instead of get good players which he has? I agree. Maybe he builds his team his way and not fall for fan pressure.
The fact your saying the Muzzin deal is bad tells me you aren't being objective.

he’s talking about the core. It’s not gritty. It doesn’t perform.

 

[fahad203]

I don't think he considered that the rocket winner would score 1 goal in 7 games and the leafs assist leader and ice time leader would shit the bed. If they live up to half what was expected from them we win the series pretty easy. That's not really on Dubas. The timid and passive style the leafs have, now that might be on Dubas.

This is all on the coach. Joe was horrible and he kept getting PP time.

Kept the same pp

Same line wasn't working eith Hyman but breaks up Nylander with foligno

Wtf

 

[BigGulpsEh]

First of all. Quit it with silly nicknames. It makes you look insecure which is common with Dubas critics.
So basically his issue was he listened to the big gritty group, instead of get good players which he has? I agree. Maybe he builds his team his way and not fall for fan pressure.
The fact your saying the Muzzin deal is bad tells me you aren't being objective.

Haha blaming the fans for moves dubas made?? The fact that you think that tells me you aren't being objective

 

[Brobust]

I LOOOOOOVE IT! Give me that kind of quote all day.

It's not a real quote.

Is your entire fanbase as stupid as Brendan Gallagher?