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Post-Game Talk: Leafs lay a next-gen egg in a lackluster loss 4-2 to the Senators.

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Playoffs? Doubt it. Not without Woll back. Jones and Sammy will cost you the season. Period
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
If you ever needed 100% proof that this team needs a REAL goalie watch that's 3rd goal, a REAL goalie doesn't let in that 3rd goal.

Can't wait to hear the excuses from the ass kissers
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Yes, we need better goaltending.

No, this loss had nothing to do with goaltending, at least ours.

We played poorly after the 2-0 lead, and didn’t deserve to win in the least. Just more poor play from our team.

Even with good goaltending, this team isn’t going anywhere, if they continue the lazy, poor play. Besides, there really doesn’t appear to be much available.
 
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Gallagbi said:
It's funny, we weren't very good at all and still deserved a better fate.

Lots of holes on this roster right now and you really see it with how were deployed. A 3rd line that can't start in its own end, a 4th line that shouldn't. Two AHL D who look the part. Then whatever the hell Lilj and Marner are at the moment
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I mean, we have two AHL defensemen yet it was Rielly and Brodie whom the Sens beat the doors off all night, so overall bad night.
 
shaner8989 said:
Playoffs? Doubt it. Not without Woll back. Jones and Sammy will cost you the season. Period
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I think Jones will just give you so so goaltending that mirrors whatever bad play is in front of him, whereas Sammy will drag the team down with his unpredictable play and bad energy. Fun place to be...
 
Fogelhund said:
Yes, we need better goaltending.

No, this loss had nothing to do with goaltending, at least ours.

We played poorly after the 2-0 lead, and didn’t deserve to win in the least. Just more poor play from our team.

Even with good goaltending, this team isn’t going anywhere, if they continue the lazy, poor play. Besides, there really doesn’t appear to be much available.
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There are lots of goalies available I don't know where you get this idea there isn't much available
 
wingman75 said:
A few things really starting to stand out as we head into the middle part of this season, but only the bolded one really matters imo:

- This team's core is an emotionless void
-- Bottom five team in board play (making plays off the boards, winning battles, etc.)
--- Goaltending is a problem overall; Jones doing his best imo
---- On offence, everything is worked to death to create the perfect scoring chance. This HAS to change, but won't with these clowns. What is wrong with wasting a few on net? Ask the Sens and I bet they say nothing.

Back to the emotionless void thought, get creamed by lowlifes in Buffalo, respond with a tight tight defensive game and really cruise to a win. Follow that up with 10 minutes of fire and then 50 minutes of cruising the strip.

As much of a Leafs fan I am, I kinda f***ing hate this incarnation of the team.
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This has been more or less a concern since the Boston '19 series.

They look great when running scores up against teams that likely won't make the playoffs (see CBJ game), but when it comes to other teams that are good or have good structure, they can't seemingly find that extra level.

To me, it's much too of an individualistic mindset or philosophy throughout, from the roster construction to how they play.
 
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Racer88 said:
Sounds like poor shooting to me.
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Yup. There used to be a thing called 'bearing down on the puck' or 'winning a battle for the puck'. This team did little of that tonight. You can call it puck luck if you want, but in my experience you make your own luck and if you are waiting for the universe to send some bounces your way, you are the definition of a loser.

You want it, go and get it... but know that there are others out there who do not want you to have it, so bear the f*** down, win the battle and get it done.

I mean, feel like most of us know this, and they players do too... so if they are, then they are simply not strong enough to get the job done when opposite force is applied. Checks out with 1-8 (1-7?) playoff record with this crew.
 
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Ottawa starts their struggling starting goalie and he wins. Toronto panics and goes with their 3rd string and loses.
 
Stephen said:
I mean, we have two AHL defensemen yet it was Rielly and Brodie whom the Sens beat the doors off all night, so overall bad night.
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Rielly was fine and carried play for most of the night. Brodie gets beat on the 1 goal, but provided safe minutes for the most part. He's not what he was, but he's a useful middle pair guy at this point.

Benoit is sheltered and basically can't make a puck play. He seems to know it and works within his limitation, but it creates issues. Laggeson was just awful, every forecheck is a lost puck, bad reads all over the place and just no ability to play. Lots of pressure on our top 2 pairs as a result
 
Voodoo Child said:
I love waking up six hours before work as I'm getting over illness, seeing them up 2-0 and thinking 'I was gonna sleep in but maybe I'll tune in.' and then seeing Ottawa take to them in the second and getting a fluke bounce for the winner.

Jones was not bad and the team as a whole had back puck luck and got dinged by a few early whistles.

But even still when is Woll back? Send Sammy to the Marlies, that'll learn him.

Mitch has the numbers but has been a ghost all year. Raise? Take 11 or go somewhere else.

Willy, JT and Matthews looked okay.

One of the few nights where Mo wasn't the team's best D.

Can we stop losing to shitty teams please? I just know I'll sleep through CBJ tomorrow dman was Be out. and they'll win like 5-1.
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Our best dman was Benoit. Certainly wasn’t Rielly, McCabe, Brodie, or Liljgren.

Voodoo Child said:
I love waking up six hours before work as I'm getting over illness, seeing them up 2-0 and thinking 'I was gonna sleep in but maybe I'll tune in.' and then seeing Ottawa take to them in the second and getting a fluke bounce for the winner.

Jones was not bad and the team as a whole had back puck luck and got dinged by a few early whistles.

But even still when is Woll back? Send Sammy to the Marlies, that'll learn him.

Mitch has the numbers but has been a ghost all year. Raise? Take 11 or go somewhere else.

Willy, JT and Matthews looked okay.

One of the few nights where Mo wasn't the team's best D.

Can we stop losing to shitty teams please? I just know I'll sleep through CBJ tomorrow dman was Be out. and they'll win like 5-1.
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Our best dman was Benoit. Certainly wasn’t Rielly, McCabe, Brodie, or Liljgren.
 
I'm honestly done being upset over losses like this. We've seen it so many times that it just is what it is

I don't care anymore, bring on the first round matchup versus Florida. I do not like our chances in that one at all
 
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Gallagbi said:
Rielly was fine and carried play for most of the night. Brodie gets beat on the 1 goal, but provided safe minutes for the most part. He's not what he was, but he's a useful middle pair guy at this point.

Benoit is sheltered and basically can't make a puck play. He seems to know it and works within his limitation, but it creates issues. Laggeson was just awful, every forecheck is a lost puck, bad reads all over the place and just no ability to play. Lots of pressure on our top 2 pairs as a result
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I seem to recall a couple of monster cycle shifts where the Brodie Rielly pair could not get off the ice which lent to the feeling of getting caved.
 
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Rare Jewel said:
This has been more or less a concern since the Boston '19 series.

They look great when running scores up against teams that likely won't make the playoffs (see CBJ game), but when it comes to other teams that are good or have good structure, they can't seemingly find that extra level.

To me, it's much too of an individual mindset or philosophy throughout, from the roster construction to how they play.
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I don't blame roster construction so much, because there was an expectation that this core would grow into their roles. They have not, not in the sense of leading the team at least. The additions over the years are all fringe and support players who take they cue from the so-called core.

I challenge your individual mindset with a perfection mindset. And maybe they go hand in hand. There were so many chances to get a quick puck at the net tonight, and we have great net front presences that go largely unused due to all the perimeter passing looking for the glory hole perfect shot.

Our slowness in developing offence allows the opponent to get numbers back... sure, sometimes it leads to a nice goal on a direction switch on blown coverage, but when playoff time comes and no one is cheating, it is a huge part of our inability to score enough goals because we get hardly and dirty ones.

I see more of the same, only this team is way worse that last seasons imo. Now, maybe we have pieces that will shine come playoff time... one can only hope, provided these guys heads aren't so far up their own assess that they miss... wouldn't that create the off-season narrative!?
 
Stephen said:
I seem to recall a couple of monster cycle shifts where the Brodie Rielly pair could not get off the ice which lent to the feeling of getting caved.
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Maybe. I'm looking at the big picture and not a shift in isolation with my comments. Rielly was generally on when we dominated. They were the only ones (along with McCabe) able to transition and handle a forecheck. We struggled mightily in transition, got caught in our end a lot because the D couldn't make a simple play. It was very noticeable with that AHL pair. Lilj struggled too, but it was more neutral zone transition and McCabe had a really strong game IMO

I'll edit in that a few of our awful shifts also had he wingers with brutal exit efforts. It's baffling that Bertuzzi is this bad.
 
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