Speculation: Leafs interested in Brayden Schenn

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I have the feeling if this trade occurred it would be exactly how many Toronto fans propose trades where it’s a bunch of stuff they don’t want for a thing they want and I think I’m okay with that.

I may be in the minority of blues fans or not I don’t know I just speak for myself but I think stl would benefit from one more futures based deadline. I think this maybe a deal that some blues fans may not love the return…but that’s okay I think.

The blues have a good class of prospects, but they’re 18-20, it’s gonna be a minute, so maybe good to invest in one more draft. The blues being good right now is maybe detrimental to their future. Maybe best to trade a guy away. Plus; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews and MacKinnon are in their prime. Why try to enter that heavyweight battle. It’s a good time to reload. Schenn has been playing great. He’s good for the playoffs. He’s as honest a player there is in the modern game.

I have mixed feelings ona potential Brayden Schenn deal.

I have no doubt He'd be a HUGE add for the playoff stretch

He's a playoff beast.

But he's also 33, 3 years left after this one at 6.5 per year.

I would probably do it because it is about NOW but I would have long term concerns.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Its seems like Holloway and Kyrou have been carrying him in terms of speed.

Leafs are a slow team, they need some speed at C.

Through the eye test he's still a pretty good skater. However, those two are elite skaters and do push the pace, Schenn is a compliment to them. There aren't many centers in the NHL that wouldn't be slower than those two.

Don't see how this works in any way. I wouldn't mind the Blues moving Schenn to try and spark some sort of a culture change. We've tried a few coaches, shipped out some complimentary pieces. Same story. Look really good at times, don't show up at times. Really wouldn't mind it being futures based. But it would have to be in the offseason. I will die before I watch Sunny try and get from the red line to the blue line by the time Holloway and or Kyrou have done 3 laps around the ice.

We lack center depth as is after Thomas. Leafs don't have a center that would be able to play up in the lineup and not black hole the offense. We don't need cap space, this UFA class outside of the top 5 or so looks really weak. I can't imagine trying to add in a center to flex the 2nd and 3rd line with Dvorsky for next season. Per all of Army's pressers too I can't imagine them throwing him in the deep end to sink or swim. Maybe we could pursue Granlund, but i dont know why he'd sign here right now unless we were overpaying him and if our objective is to stick to the course, i'm not sure overpaying a stop-gap for more than 2-3 years is a good idea at all.

EDIT: I guess Tavares would fit the bill but that seems dumb for the Leafs to trade for Schenn and let Tavares walk. Seems even dumber for the Leafs to trade Tavares for Schenn.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Honestly I kind of forgot Schenn is still playing. Past his prime, playing on a retirement contract with NTC that other teams probably don't want to or can't touch (but not so bad that it would be featured on any "worst contracts" list), on a kind of irrelevant team (no offense Blues fans). But I guess he could still be a competent addition, even if aging and a bit overpaid.

 

[biturbo19]

It's hard to see how Toronto would make the cap work. There's no way STL would retain for that much more term. You can make it work in future years as the cap goes up...but in the meantime, how do you fit that in this year?

He'd be a good add for what the Leafs need. Some grit that can play pretty much anywhere in the Top-9. But even if you just start packaging up like...Kampf, Domi, Reaves to make the cap work...that's gonna start to make the acquisition price jump significantly. It'd also rob the Leafs of "depth".



If anything, Vancouver is probably one of the teams that could afford to make that sort of deal happen without sending a ton of salary back and also without asking for retention that isn't going to happen. They could use him...as either a Top-6W or 2a/b sort of Center.

 

[Visnovsky]

I'm pretty positive that this move would require Toronto to move Domi and Kämpf, they pretty much 100% cover the cap hit of Brayden Schenn - and I would be absolutely on board with this, he's a perfect match to play with Marner on a separate line.

Kämpf could easily traded for a late pick on a separate deal, regardless of his high cap hit.

Domi is another story... he is pretty much whatever on a long deal, and should probably be sent away also in a separate deal than in that for Schenn - unless St. Louis would, for some reason, be bent on getting him back as a part of the deal (which I do not believe in).

We shall see what happens, one of the most interesting times of the hockey year.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Dreger might as well be on the Leafs payroll for all the water he carries for that org.

Dreger and Chris Johnson, both useless

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[seanlinden]

I'm pretty positive that this move would require Toronto to move Domi and Kämpf, they pretty much 100% cover the cap hit of Brayden Schenn - and I would be absolutely on board with this, he's a perfect match to play with Marner on a separate line.

Kämpf could easily traded for a late pick on a separate deal, regardless of his high cap hit.

Domi is another story... he is pretty much whatever on a long deal, and should probably be sent away also in a separate deal than in that for Schenn - unless St. Louis would, for some reason, be bent on getting him back as a part of the deal (which I do not believe in).

We shall see what happens, one of the most interesting times of the hockey year.

Not quite... Domi is $3.75m and Kampf $2.4m. Together they are $6.15m vs Schenn's $6.5m.

The Challenge isn't the $350k difference in those two, it's that it's 2 roster-playing forwards for one. Somebody is going to have to replace Kampf's minutes and spot in the lineup, which will cost a minimum of $800k, so you're really talking about a $1.1m delta.

The Leafs don't actually have that space, as Hakanpaa's LTIR money is already "half-consumed" by Myers. You need 7 defencemen.

At the end of the day, I think there's actually a lot of merit to the concept of Brayden Schenn in the offseason as the Leafs 3rd line C next year. I don't neccessarily like it if the thought is Matthews-Tavares-Schenn as your centres, given the ages, but there will probably be enough cap space to make that work especially if you can get it done without Minten or Cowan.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I can definitely see why he would be someone that playoff bound teams are calling on. I doubt St Louis is overly motivated to move him though

 

[ToDavid]

Dreger might as well be on the Leafs payroll for all the water he carries for that org.

This is such a wild take about Darren “Marner has $14 million offer sheets on the table” Dreger.

Reporting the Leafs are in on a player is hardly for the Leafs’ benefit. Other teams float this shit to the Toronto media to get their guy’s name on top of all the trade boards and drum up interest. And Dreger is happy to report it because he knows it will get clicks and eyeballs.

 

[jjniner]

Listen to a lot of sports talk out of Stl and this is being discussed. Talks of Stl being the cap dump team at the trade line.Hearing the Blues would eat some money for a better return. He is having a very solid season because he is fully healthy. Playoff hockey is in his blood.

 

[4thline]

Not quite... Domi is $3.75m and Kampf $2.4m. Together they are $6.15m vs Schenn's $6.5m.

The Challenge isn't the $350k difference in those two, it's that it's 2 roster-playing forwards for one. Somebody is going to have to replace Kampf's minutes and spot in the lineup, which will cost a minimum of $800k, so you're really talking about a $1.1m delta.

The Leafs don't actually have that space, as Hakanpaa's LTIR money is already "half-consumed" by Myers. You need 7 defencemen.

At the end of the day, I think there's actually a lot of merit to the concept of Brayden Schenn in the offseason as the Leafs 3rd line C next year. I don't neccessarily like it if the thought is Matthews-Tavares-Schenn as your centres, given the ages, but there will probably be enough cap space to make that work especially if you can get it done without Minten or Cowan.

I have to admit that I'm not near as comfortable with Puckpedia as a I was CF- but it looks to me like the Leafs are currently running a fairly "fat" roster since they're in LTIR and have no way to accrue. PP shows that we're currently carrying 23 on the active roster PLUS Dewar's IR cap hit. Now, Dewar's not technically available at the moment, but with him activated, Mermis and Reaves buried and Holmberg+ Timmins as the 7D /13F that has us sitting at 4.126 in deadline LTIR/cap space. If Jarncrok/Hakanpaa are done for the season, that sets either Kampf or Domi being enough to free the space. If we're going to be activating one or either- things need to get creative.

So A lot comes down to Jarncrok/Hakanpaa timelines AND/OR whether they're willing to go lean post trade.

 

[seanlinden]

I have to admit that I'm not near as comfortable with Puckpedia as a I was CF- but it looks to me like the Leafs are currently running a fairly "fat" roster since they're in LTIR and have no way to accrue. PP shows that we're currently carrying 23 on the active roster PLUS Dewar's IR cap hit. Now, Dewar's not technically available at the moment, but with him activated, Mermis and Reaves buried and Holmberg+ Timmins as the 7D /13F that has us sitting at 4.126 in deadline LTIR/cap space. If Jarncrok/Hakanpaa are done for the season, that sets either Kampf or Domi being enough to free the space. If we're going to be activating one or either- things need to get creative.

So A lot comes down to Jarncrok/Hakanpaa timelines AND/OR whether they're willing to go lean post trade.

You are correct. I had forgotten the removal of Liljegren from our original zero-cap space starting position.

Removing Mermis & Grebenkin bringing you to a 23-man (plus $100k benning in the minors) roster gives you $2.976m in usable cap space assuming Hakanpaa and Jarnkrok are not going to play.

They could do a Brayden Schenn/Max Domi swap in that case.

 

[4thline]

You are correct. I had forgotten the removal of Liljegren from our original zero-cap space starting position.

Removing Mermis & Grebenkin bringing you to a 23-man (plus $100k benning in the minors) roster gives you $2.976m in usable cap space assuming Hakanpaa and Jarnkrok are not going to play.

They could do a Brayden Schenn/Max Domi swap in that case.

With waiving Reaves taking opening up a Schenn/Kampf swap

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Dreger might as well be on the Leafs payroll for all the water he carries for that org.

In the case of Mitch Marner this is literally the opposite of true.

 

[4thline]

So Blues fans- say the Leafs have it worked out that Kampf is the only salary going the other way, and no retention needed- what's the futures package?

 

[Spektre]

So Blues fans- say the Leafs have it worked out that Kampf is the only salary going the other way, and no retention needed- what's the futures package?

3 first round picks and ooey gooey butter cake

 

[Commander Clueless]

3 first round picks and ooey gooey butter cake

So the answer is no?

And now I'm hungry.


Dammit man!

 

[Spektre]

So the answer is no?

And now I'm hungry.


Dammit man!

Honestly, I think the popular opinion was Schenn is negative value, and almost untradable going into this season. He's certainly had a better year, but he's playing with the best 2 wingers on the team. It's my opinion that Army most likely overvalues Schenn. Personally, I don't see a fit with Toronto. Who knows though?

 

[bleedblue1223]

So Blues fans- say the Leafs have it worked out that Kampf is the only salary going the other way, and no retention needed- what's the futures package?

Honestly, I don't know. Going into the season, Schenn certainly had negative value. He's bounced back and has improved offensively and defensively, but he's also playing with Holloway and Kyrou, so that's a big help. His expected goals for and against have bounced back to his pre decline days, but how much of that is him or linemates driven? Can he sustain it for the rest of his contract?

My expectation is that Army is setting a price above what a team would be willing to pay, and that he ultimately won't be moved because of it.

 

[Torontonian]

...and what could the Leafs possibly give up that would net them a Schenn??...clickbate...

What kind of haul is Schenn going to be expecting, 33 years old right now, turns 34 in August, and will have 2 years left on his deal.

Wouldn't call it clickbate, if you play center in the league and are better then Pontus Holmberg or David Kampf, Toronto has pretty much checked in on them.

 

[Mike Liut]

What kind of haul is Schenn going to be expecting, 33 years old right now, turns 34 in August, and will have 2 years left on his deal.

Wouldn't call it clickbate, if you play center in the league and are better then Pontus Holmberg or David Kampf, Toronto has pretty much checked in on them.

3 more years left after this one

 

[Jared Dunn]

...if Schenn is made available, St. Louis will have a lot of the Playoff-bound GMs calling...

Interest does not inherently mean valuable

I like the player but he hasn't been worth his caphit the last two seasons

 

[Mike Liut]

Interest does not inherently mean valuable

I like the player but he hasn't been worth his caphit the last two seasons

He has this year. He brings a lot to the table

 

[Schennanigans]

The Leafs definitely need to be in on this if the blues are gonna trade him. He’s the upgrade we need. Though I’m not sure we will like the cost.