Dreger: Leafs in market for Shutdown D - Holland available

[WTFMAN99]

Circling back since my original post...

1. Don't shoot the messenger

2. I am surprised people think Holland available = for defensive help is exclusive. I think Holland is just available. It's obvious he won't land a defenseman who can actually help a top 4.

3. Given the expansion predicament maybe Jonas Brodin might be a fit. Although I think a lot of teams would be interested.

 

[sansabri]

I know Habs and Leafs don't like each other..but could Pateryn for Holland work?

As a Habs fan, I don't understand how Pateryn isn't use as a #6 day in day out, MT benched him for freaking Joel Hanley. He's not the same the past couple of games. He seems to be in MT's doghouse.

Could Holland be effective as a 3C (small upgrade on DD?).

He wouldn't be.

 

[spaghtti]

Tanev for Kadri

 

[cupcrazyman]

Wow Leafs management is such a joke, they tell us that we will finally be rebuilding and now they made a young and upcoming star in Holland available?

Danm, idk what to believe anymore

how did you type that with a straight face ?

 

[trellaine201]

Just put him on waivers. leafs aren't getting anything worthwhile.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Get Stone from Phoenix.

Stone isn't a shutdown D.

But we'll give you Schenn for Holland and Kapanen so HF will never have to see anymore trade proposals involving them.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Fun fact: there is truly no such thing as a shut down defenseman.

In hockey, these players are "defensemen with zero offensive skill"... in reality the best shutdown defensemen are offensive defensemen. Why? Because they don't let you have the puck. When they get the puck off of you, they are able to move the play quickly via outlet passes and well placed shots to avoid icing. They are also the quickest skaters which neutralize the play. The best puckhandlers which in tandem with their skating ability allows them to effectively dead the play.

I am starting to have big concerns about the rebuild if Leafs management doesn't understand this.

When these shutdown defensemen they talk about are on the ice, the opposing team is far more likely to score.

except that's not how hockey works, you will never have the puck 100% of the time. You are going to have to defend and play with out it

 

[Halla]

Stone isn't a shutdown D.

But we'll give you Schenn for Holland and Kapanen so HF will never have to see anymore trade proposals involving them.

take out kapanen and its close

 

[LeafSteel]

You aren't getting Montour for Holland. Don't be ridiculous.

He was kidding.

 

[Halla]

Just put him on waivers. leafs aren't getting anything worthwhile.

in other news the sky is blue.

I'd like to see him moved for burmistrov. a change of scenery could do wonders for both. Holland has all the tools to be a 25-35pt 3rd line C that can play a decent 2 way game...when he wants.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

i think you need to read the OP again. the two arent related

You might want to read that title again.

Quite misleading.

OP clarifies it, but that headline...

 

[Halla]

You might want to read that title again.

Quite misleading.

OP clarifies it, but that headline...

I have no reason to read the title again. I know it doesnt clearly separate the 2. then again the op clearly shows separate tweets from dreger. no one expects holland the return a shutdown D and the only reason to even bring that up is to take a dig at the leafs

 

[Old Boys Club]

Fayne for a half eaten ham sandwich.

 

[belair]

Fun fact: there is truly no such thing as a shut down defenseman.

In hockey, these players are "defensemen with zero offensive skill"... in reality the best shutdown defensemen are offensive defensemen. Why? Because they don't let you have the puck. When they get the puck off of you, they are able to move the play quickly via outlet passes and well placed shots to avoid icing. They are also the quickest skaters which neutralize the play. The best puckhandlers which in tandem with their skating ability allows them to effectively dead the play.

I am starting to have big concerns about the rebuild if Leafs management doesn't understand this.

When these shutdown defensemen they talk about are on the ice, the opposing team is far more likely to score.

Offensive defensemen take more risks for offense. They generally have a substantial number of turnovers because of this. Shutdown defensemen generally play against higher-end competition for the sole reason of preventing them from scoring. The same goes for shutdown centers.

Willie Mitchell is one that comes to mind in recent memory.

 

[uncleben]

Sounds like Kevin Bieksa is what you need, great PK'er, excellent on the PP, high defensive IQ. Exactly what the Leafs are seeking.

willing to retain 50%?

I'd definitely do it with retention

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Fun fact: there is truly no such thing as a shut down defenseman.

In hockey, these players are "defensemen with zero offensive skill"... in reality the best shutdown defensemen are offensive defensemen. Why? Because they don't let you have the puck. When they get the puck off of you, they are able to move the play quickly via outlet passes and well placed shots to avoid icing. They are also the quickest skaters which neutralize the play. The best puckhandlers which in tandem with their skating ability allows them to effectively dead the play.

I am starting to have big concerns about the rebuild if Leafs management doesn't understand this.

When these shutdown defensemen they talk about are on the ice, the opposing team is far more likely to score.

The best offensive defensemen in the league often have the highest giveaway/60 numbers.

It's why you never see two offensive defensemen paired together.

They are needed in this league.

 

[uncleben]

Wow Leafs management is such a joke, they tell us that we will finally be rebuilding and now they made a young and upcoming star in Holland available?

Danm, idk what to believe anymore

Holland is 25 years old and while he has shown flashes of strength and reliability, he has failed to play consistently and grab a spot on this team.

It's also not giving up on youth when our forward depth, that is all younger than him, is pushing him out of a spot.

 

[howkie]

in other news the sky is blue.

I'd like to see him moved for burmistrov. a change of scenery could do wonders for both. Holland has all the tools to be a 25-35pt 3rd line C that can play a decent 2 way game...when he wants.

Dont need Holland, we have Mathias for that role. Jets already has to many forwards, a pick for Burmi would do...

 

[Brock Radunske]

DAN GIRARDI!!! Plz take him

We need a shutdown defenseman...not a defenseman that has shut down.

 

[ToneBone03]

I would be surprised if we received a higher quality defenseman in return for Holland than we already have. He's probably only worth a Polak or a Hunwick...both of which aren't in the lineup for the majority of NHL teams. Lol

The most we'll get for Holland straight-up is a late round pick (4th round or later). That is, unless Lou starts thinking outside of the box.

 

[SprDaVE]

Leafs need to upgrade their D. This isn't news.

Holland should be converted to a winger permanently. People will call me crazy but I think he's a solid winger, and a capable center, on a few teams that need scoring depth. Leafs have crazy amount of winger depth, which is why he's not playing. With that said, his value right now is zero. He'd be a good candidate for a buy low option.

 

[Stu]

Leafs would like to trade a fringe NHL player for a top-4 defenseman. If only it were that easy.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Fun fact: there is truly no such thing as a shut down defenseman.

In hockey, these players are "defensemen with zero offensive skill"... in reality the best shutdown defensemen are offensive defensemen. Why? Because they don't let you have the puck. When they get the puck off of you, they are able to move the play quickly via outlet passes and well placed shots to avoid icing. They are also the quickest skaters which neutralize the play. The best puckhandlers which in tandem with their skating ability allows them to effectively dead the play.

I am starting to have big concerns about the rebuild if Leafs management doesn't understand this.

When these shutdown defensemen they talk about are on the ice, the opposing team is far more likely to score.

There's no reason to believe that they necessarily mean Polak when they say that. They could just as easily refer to the more modern type, led by guys like Slavin, Tanev and Manson.

 

[Canadian Game]

"Leafs want good defenseman for terrible centre that can't get any ice time"

Two separate things. They didn't say they want to trade Holland for a shutdown D.

 

[LeafFever]

Change the thread title. Confusing too many people. Holland is separate from the need for a SD D.

BTW, why not just wait for the stud prospects they have on D? There's 3 on the Marlies who look terrific.