News Article: Leafs in COVID Protocol

[cyris]

That is the approach the NFL has taken. It is correct. 2 years in and we are still testing asymptomatic people who are fully vaxxed. It's nonsense

Asymptotic people can still pass the virus to other people.

 

[Fogelhund]

CP24 ticker said UK data shows that Omicron symptoms are similar to a cold.

I mean, you could just look up the UK data, and see that their Hospitalization and ICU numbers are similar to Omicron and Delta..... That being said, given it resides more in the bronchial, than lungs, most people are going to feel less severe symptoms. So, it's kind of important the wording. Is it less severe... no... does it have less severe symptoms for "most", yes.

 

[Jojalu]

Asymptotic people can still pass the virus to other people.

Very well aware. The point is that if this is mild( which it is) then there is no issue passing it along.

Boosters for all those who are vulnerable and natural immunity for everyone else.

Dubas is 100% correct. We have to start learning to live with this. I don't feel like taking boosters ongoing. I don't care to be locked down or having restrictions imposed. I don't want to wear a mask anymore.

Odds of being hospitalized are next to nothing if you are vaxxed so enough is enough

 

[cyris]

Very well aware. The point is that if this is mild( which it is) then there is no issue passing it along.

Boosters for all those who are vulnerable and natural immunity for everyone else.

Dubas is 100% correct. We have to start learning to live with this. I don't feel like taking boosters ongoing. I don't care to be locked down or having restrictions imposed. I don't want to wear a mask anymore.

Odds of being hospitalized are next to nothing if you are vaxxed so enough is enough

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

 

[Jojalu]

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

Save peoples lives? Who is dying in Ontario?

That is completely ignoring all of the side effects that are debilitating to our youth, our small business owners and the mental health of countless.

I 100% supported the lockdown and restrictions as we tried to figure this out. Now this is nothing but a political game.

With vaccines there is zero reason not to eleviate all restrictions and attempt to start fixing the underlying issues this has caused.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The truth of the matter is that at this stage, the potential long term effects of the vaccines regarding children are unknown.

Except that's not really true. They are known with pretty good certainty. We just haven't had real world data for long enough to 100% confirm it.

The truth of the matter is, the potential long-term effects of Covid or these variants on unvaccinated children are much more unknown, and way, way, way more likely to be problematic, so it's illogical to avoid the vaccine for that reason.

 

[cyris]

Save peoples lives? Who is dying in Ontario?

That is completely ignoring all of the side effects that are debilitating to our youth, our small business owners and the mental health of countless.

I 100% supported the lockdown and restrictions as we tried to figure this out. Now this is nothing but a political game.

With vaccines there is zero reason not to eleviate all restrictions and attempt to start fixing the underlying issues this has caused.

You are right not a lot of people are currently dying in Ontario. But we are very early into this new variant. We haven’t got to the point where hospitals are over stressed. That doesn’t mean we won’t. Or that we should stop all restrictions.

At best your strategy seems to be hey what we are doing is working to prevent deaths so we should stop doing it???

At worst you are asking for the unchecked spread of a new variant we don’t fully understand yet.

 

[CelticDruid]

CP24 ticker said UK data shows that Omicron symptoms are similar to a cold.

South Africa just stopped tracking data as the symptoms were mild and not worth tracking the OMICRON variant.

British Sage scientist were told to model COVID-19 stats based on what the government tells them and not the other way around.

In the British Telegraph paper today.

Rather shocking revelation.

 

[Jojalu]

You are right not a lot of people are currently dying in Ontario. But we are very early into this new variant. We haven’t got to the point where hospitals are over stressed. That doesn’t mean we won’t. Or that we should stop all restrictions.

At best your strategy seems to be hey what we are doing is working to prevent deaths so we should stop doing it???

At worst you are asking for the unchecked spread of a new variant we don’t fully understand yet.

I do think we should have more informatiom before we fall back into restrictive measures.

We can by looking at countries with vaccination rates comparable to ours see that even if breakthrough cases explode it won't lead to a drastic rise in hospitalizations or deaths. We are 90% vaxxed and limit the movement of the unvaxxed.

Eastern Europe got smashed because of 30% vaccination rate. Germany was around 65-70%. That is millions more people succeptable to severe illness that can never happen here unless the vaccines are useless.

 

[Fogelhund]

I do think we should have more information before we fall back into restrictive measures.

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..the way it's spreading, what happens "if" it's as bad, but spreads much faster? Then we'll be absolutely screwed, so some caution is needed... not panic full lockdown, but some restrictions... Christmas break couldn't have come at a better time, to have kids away from each other, people off work... it will help some, and possibly give enough time to analyze extra info.

 

[Jojalu]

..the way it's spreading, what happens "if" it's as bad, but spreads much faster? Then we'll be absolutely screwed, so some caution is needed... not panic full lockdown, but some restrictions... Christmas break couldn't have come at a better time, to have kids away from each other, people off work... it will help some, and possibly give enough time to analyze extra info.

All good points.

 

[cyris]

I do think we should have more informatiom before we fall back into restrictive measures.

We can by looking at countries with vaccination rates comparable to ours see that even if breakthrough cases explode it won't lead to a drastic rise in hospitalizations or deaths. We are 90% vaxxed and limit the movement of the unvaxxed.

Eastern Europe got smashed because of 30% vaccination rate. Germany was around 65-70%. That is millions more people succeptable to severe illness that can never happen here unless the vaccines are useless.

At this point I think we need to act cautiously no matter what the next step is.
We don’t know what we dont know about this variant. Even if this strain is less severe it is undoubtedly much more contagious. Which could still lead to a large spike in hospital cases.

Hell I’m not even suggesting we tighten restrictions but you were asking to have them further removed which at a time like this would be completely irresponsible.

 

[Jojalu]

At this point I think we need to act cautiously no matter what the next step is.
We don’t know what we dont know about this variant. Even if this strain is less severe it is undoubtedly much more contagious. Which could still lead to a large spike in hospital cases.

Hell I’m not even suggesting we tighten restrictions but you were asking to have them further removed which at a time like this would be completely irresponsible.

Yes. I may have gotten a little ahead of myself. I do agree with Dubas and the NFL though. We have to at least try something new. Especially if this indeed will be an endemic and stays with us forever.

 

[Joe n]

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

You don't think that there are thousands of people in the general population going out in public who are asymptomatic. I would be more worried about the people that are shopping in the same store as I am.

 

[cyris]

You don't think that there are thousands of people in the general population going out in public who are asymptomatic. I would be more worried about the people that are shopping in the same store as I am.

Of course there are people out in the general public that have Covid. But while you are out shopping both of you are wearing masks and you maintain some level of distance. Neither of which happen during a hockey game.
Also just because we all take risks in daily life it doesn’t mean we should then pretend that no risks exist.

 

[Joe n]

Of course there are people out in the general public that have Covid. But while you are out shopping both of you are wearing masks and you maintain some level of distance. Neither of which happen during a hockey game.
Also just because we all take risks in daily life it doesn’t mean we should then pretend that no risks exist.

There are lots of risks, but until things start normalizing we are going to face restrictions every winter. I think the effect of 10's of thousands of small businesses closing permanently and the effects on the mental health of people will become a bigger problem if not already

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Well, if that half of the population were quarantined, properly, at the same time, the other half of the population could go back to life as it was before Covid.

What is lost here is that the virus needs a host in order to be infectious and transmissible.
If the host overcomes the virus and doesn't pass it along to anyone else, that entire line of transmission dies there.

If we had handled this thing severely and decisively from the beginning, we could have had a better handle on it.
Now, it's not feasible to expect governments to act swiftly and harshly based on a new disease we had no information on, that can be completely invisible and still infectious.

It could have been handled better. Here, down south, across the pond, everywhere.

What this does, is reinforce the mantra that I've asserted my adult life:

Nothing is more important to our society as properly funded education and health care systems.


If you want to automatically lose my vote, contemplate cutting funding to the health care or education sectors. Instant turn-off from me.

Everything you say here is correct. What you didn't say is we live in a global community so unless everyone else had done the same thing, it would have made no difference unless you wanted to completely shut our borders for eternity. That's the problem NZ and Australia are facing. Their strategy worked really well but it was doomed to fail in the long run.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

If you want people to tune you out, keep saying stuff like this. My life hasn't been minorly inconvenienced, it's been paradigmly changed. Maybe this has been fun for you, dunno. I'm doing everything I can to save lives and get things back to normal by the way. You making light of my world being turned upside down as a "minor inconvenience" isn't very motivating to keep doing that.

 

[Coachcorner]

Imagine how much OUR team will kill on the 27th after christ)mas sire! well have sooooo many of our souljas back by then! And nobe of them will be getting even sick.

 

[Einzakin]

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

This has to be the most uneducated take on what lockdowns do to society. It's people with your level of IQ that keep us in this mess.

 

[The Podium]

The truth of the matter is that at this stage, the potential long term effects of the vaccines regarding children are unknown.

The available vaccine data is based on short term studies, relatively speaking. Traditionally, controlled study groups for novel vaccines are monitored for adverse effects for several years.

A couple things here.

The reason why studies were accelerated was more related to funding than actual time needed to assess for safety.

mRNA vaccines are theoretically very safe, a one way blue print if you will that builds a foreign protein that ultimately is destroyed by the same immune system it primes to recognize moving forward. Any active ingredients are out of your system in a few days leaving nothing but some immune cells ready to fight. The only thing that lingers is the minimal preservatives that are only a fraction of what existed in its predecessors.

I understand the hesitancy for parents vaccinating their children, and my wife and I decided she probably won’t be getting her booster while pregnant, but to ease your concerns the vaccine should theoretically be the safest you child has ever had.

 

[definedMF]

Having a mild case doesn’t automatically mean anyone you pass it on to will have a mild case.

I’m sorry you have to face minor inconveniences in order to save people’s lives.

Avoidavle lockdown collateral deaths, illnesses, businesses losing bottom line and going bankrupt. Not to mention the mental health toll on youth is far above the damage we have claimed for this pandemic. Minor inconvenience for you but not others, same thought process you used for this comment.

Don't virtue signal here when its much more dire when civil liberties are held behind restrictions. Thats not how good policy works, its suspect when force is required and not adopted naturally with genuine incentives that have direct viable outcomes.

 

[steam whistle]

It needs to determine the effects of the lockdown because there's no restrictions in USA at all. Americans and Europeans and Asians can come here without any isolation. Now, it's the moment for federal government set the rules for all visitors isolated for 14 days in hotel at visitors cost of course when they enter the border. No exempt.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Except that's not really true. They are known with pretty good certainty. We just haven't had real world data for long enough to 100% confirm it.

The truth of the matter is, the potential long-term effects of Covid or these variants on unvaccinated children are much more unknown, and way, way, way more likely to be problematic, so it's illogical to avoid the vaccine for that reason.

The Pfizer trials in the 5-11 year old age group began in March 2021 and the vaccine was authorized for use last month in the general population. I agree that the data thus far suggests there have been rare serious adverse events reported.

As I stated, the potential long term effects are still unknown, and that will be the case for quite some time as the mass vaccination campaign continues. I am hopeful that the results will continue to indicate that the vaccines are safe within that age group.

As a parent with an 8 year old and a 10 year old, I am struggling with the decision because of the risk vs benefit analysis. We know that previous Covid strains had virtually no impact on children without comorbidities, and although Omicron is speculated to cause relatively mild symptoms, we don't know how it will impact children compared to previous variants at this stage.

 

[Ciao]

This has to be the most uneducated take on what lockdowns do to society. It's people with your level of IQ that keep us in this mess.

A purely personal attack on someone whose position you don't like is a very unpersuasive response.

@cyris sounds like he has his head screwed on right to me.