Confirmed with Link: Leafs hire Guy Boucher and Mike Van Ryn as assistant coaches

[The Masters]

I think you're confusing some things. I'm not one of them but a lot of fans aren't cheering for this team to lose. They simply do not believe they can win with Keefe. The only way they believe the team can win the ultimate prize, is with a different head coach leading the team. How do you get a new head coach ? You fire your current one. Is your current coach having a good or bad regular season ? Good season = no firing, no coaching change, no ultimate success. Bad season = fire the coach and bring in the guy they believe can lead this team to the promised land.

They're not cheering for this team to lose, they want change because they've lost faith in the current group. The only way they'll get the change they desire is if Keefe has a down season.

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[Fogelhund]

I think you're confusing some things. I'm not one of them but a lot of fans aren't cheering for this team to lose. They simply do not believe they can win with Keefe. The only way they believe the team can win the ultimate prize, is with a different head coach leading the team. How do you get a new head coach ? You fire your current one. Is your current coach having a good or bad regular season ? Good season = no firing, no coaching change, no ultimate success. Bad season = fire the coach and bring in the guy they believe can lead this team to the promised land.

They're not cheering for this team to lose, they want change because they've lost faith in the current group. The only way they'll get the change they desire is if Keefe has a down season.

I get the long game, but ultimately, people are hoping that the team loses, and sucks bad enough to fire the coach..... I mean, that's exactly what you've said.

 

[The Iceman]

Dubas isn't here anymore, guys aren't being gift wrapped jobs jobs they haven't earned anymore.

Have you seen the resume of Gruden?
HC in the OHL
HC 2 years in AHL-Won Championship
4 years assistant NYI
1 year lead assistant Boston-President Trophy

Not a gift wrapped job if he is named Leaf HC

 

[Squiffy]

Some of it, my case anyways, isn't hoping for him to be fired, because as you say that means the team is stumbling. It's just reading the tea leaves, it looks like they are hedging their bets here on coaching.

 

[AvroArrow]

I get the long game, but ultimately, people are hoping that the team loses, and sucks bad enough to fire the coach..... I mean, that's exactly what you've said.

And replace the coach with a more competent one, who would eventually lead this team to a cup.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I was a big fan of Mike van Ryn's wife.

Before the restraining order?

 

[francis246]

Stamkos-St. Louis were at their best under Boucher.

I remember reading somewhere how Stamkos credits Boucher for taking his game to another level.

 

[Golden_Jet]

For those wondering, part of Bouchers system if he takes over, he likes the LW lock, if the opposition is coming out of their zone, you try and squeeze the players coming at you to the left wing. Then the defenseman steps up to hit/ check the puck carrier, but the left winger has to be backtracking to cover for the LD.
Players said was a complex system, for all scenarios on the ice, but works. Just one part of it, obviously.

 

[Fogelhund]

And replace the coach with a more competent one, who would eventually lead this team to a cup.

So somehow the Assistant coach isn't good enough to help the Head coach avoid a bad enough losing streak. that the Head Coach gets fired, the Assistant Coach promoted, and then we are all good?

Fair enough.

Seems like sound logic.

 

[The Management]

I don't think Sheldon Keefe is a bad coach. I think his decisions are frustrating at times, yes. But perhaps some new voices on the bench will modulate some of his habits.

If nothing else, it's a fresh set of eyes. If I'm writing a report, I can proof-read it twenty friggin' times and still miss something that could be painfully obvious to someone else.

 

[saltming]

Then they should have fired Keefe and name Boucher head coach.

Optics?
Not sure but it's the mo of most clubs to do it this way

 

[francis246]

If they plan on firing Keefe they should already have done it do the team gets a whole camp to learn a new system. Since they aren't we gotta ride it out with him unless we start like 0-10 or something.

I still think he's a pretty good coach despite being overwhelmed in the playoffs over the years, but I would still have replaced him with a Quennville if he was reinstated. I don't mind Keefe as of today though.

I said the same thing towards babcocks tenure when Trotz was available. I knew Babcocks time was running out and I thought, if your gonna fire him, fire him now while there's a great coach available. With no coach out there like that currently, were better off with Keefe imo.

Aha all of that is on Shanahan. Dubas wanted to fire Babcock in the off-season. Shanahan said no lol. So they had no choice but to hire keefe on such short notice. I think if Shanny had let Dubas do it in the off season there may have been a more through process and maybe we end up with a more experienced coach.

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[Kurtz]

So somehow the Assistant coach isn't good enough to help the Head coach avoid a bad enough losing streak. that the Head Coach gets fired, the Assistant Coach promoted, and then we are all good?

Fair enough.

Seems like sound logic.

Didn't that happen recently with St Louis when Berube took over a struggling club and won the cup?

 

[geo25]

Optics?
Not sure but it's the mo of most clubs to do it this way

Maybe our rotten four love Keefe because they can do no wrong & he apologizes publicly if he dosent anything to upset their itty-bitty feelings.....that being said, they may not want to upset the apple cart until AM & WN are signed (hmmmm....)

 

[saltming]

For those wondering, part of Bouchers system if he takes over, he likes the LW lock, if the opposition is coming out of their zone, you try and squeeze the players coming at you to the left wing. Then the defenseman steps up to hit/ check the puck carrier, but the left winger has to be backtracking to cover for the LD.
Players said was a complex system, for all scenarios on the ice, but works.

Yes you need smart talented played who can skate to implement it. We should be good

 

[saltming]

Maybe our rotten four love Keefe because they can do no wrong & he apologizes publicly if he dosent anything to upset their itty-bitty feelings.....that being said, they may not want to upset the apple cart until AM & WN are signed (hmmmm....)

Also a fair take, but Imo I really don't think Shanahan or Tre are that influenced by that. I do think they want to keep the players, but on record, the stars all seem to be saying winning trumps money (Matthews and Nylander?) so they it becomes, do the core four buy into what Shanny/Tre are selling?
I think I read somewhere Matthews was happy about signing reaves and he wanted a tough guy in the team, so maybe also the change of gm/to ethic is to make the core happy

 

[The Management]

For those wondering, part of Bouchers system if he takes over, he likes the LW lock, if the opposition is coming out of their zone, you try and squeeze the players coming at you to the left wing. Then the defenseman steps up to hit/ check the puck carrier, but the left winger has to be backtracking to cover for the LD.
Players said was a complex system, for all scenarios on the ice, but works.

Appreciate the insight, thank you.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Boucher gets good early results, but his schtick seems to quickly wear thin.

 

[BayStBullies]

Boucher gets good early results, but his schtick seems to quickly wear thin.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Gabriel426]

Boucher gets good early results, but his schtick seems to quickly wear thin.

All we want is ONE Cup win.

 

[BayStBullies]

For those wondering, part of Bouchers system if he takes over, he likes the LW lock, if the opposition is coming out of their zone, you try and squeeze the players coming at you to the left wing. Then the defenseman steps up to hit/ check the puck carrier, but the left winger has to be backtracking to cover for the LD.
Players said was a complex system, for all scenarios on the ice, but works. Just one part of it, obviously.

Ah interesting, it would be interesting to see any system exist at all on this team.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Can you be more specific?

He's never spent more than three years with any team, at any level. Tampa and Ottawa both made the conference finals in his first season, missed the playoffs in year two and fired him midway through year three. Great motivator, but struggles to maintain his initial success.

 

[Fogelhund]

Can you be more specific?

Boucher's NHL head coaching experience... take it for what its worth I suppose

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Just look at the drop off, after year one.

 

[AvroArrow]

So somehow the Assistant coach isn't good enough to help the Head coach avoid a bad enough losing streak. that the Head Coach gets fired, the Assistant Coach promoted, and then we are all good?

Fair enough.

Seems like sound logic.

Remember that Nick Nurse guy the Raptors had ? Who was Dwane Caseys assistant coach ? Who the Raptors fired, and then promoted his assistant Nick Nurse to head coach ? Who won the NBA title in his first year as head coach, where Casey kept failing over and over ?

lol. You're still missing the point but I feel like it's intentional at this point. Again I am not even a part of that crowd but I understand what they're saying. They want Keefe fired because they don't believe in him to lead the team in the playoffs. Only way he gets fired is if there's a horrible start or stretch in the regular season.

 

[Metroid]

He's never spent more than three years with any team, at any level. Tampa and Ottawa both made the conference finals in his first season, missed the playoffs in year two and fired him midway through year three. Great motivator, but struggles to maintain his initial success.

Perfect.
Year 1. WIN CUP
Year 2. Win Draft Lottery
Year 3. Dynasty with a new coach and make the world hate us more.