Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[hamzarocks]

Vegas list vs Seattle List
(Exposed in brackets)

Anderson --- Campbell
(Sparks) --- (Hutchinson)
(Bibeau) --- n/a

Rielly --------- Rielly
Gardiner ---- Muzzin
Carrick -------- Brodie
(Marincin) --- Holl
(Marchenko) - (Dermott)

Kadri ----------- Matthews
VanRiemsdyk - Marner
Bozak ----------- Tavares
Brown ---------- Nylander
Komarov ------- (McCann)
Martin ----------- (Kerfoot)
Leivo -------------- (Engvall)
(Leipsic) --------- (Anderson)
(Fehr) ------------- (Spezza)
(Rychel) ---------- (Simmonds)
(Smith) ----------- (Brooks)

All this shows is the leafs were lucky that Vegas came into the league when most of their promising young players were exempt due to having less than 2 full seasons

We had at forward better players that were not available to be picked vs this year (Robertson, amirov, etc)

Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Hyman + Kapanen/AJ was incredible offensive star power and depth. When combined with bozak, brown, Kadri, JVR we had probably the most offensively deep leafs roster ever from 2016 to 2018

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Seattle: "We're in a pickle with Toronto. It's like choosing between diarrhea or vomit. A #6 D who was healthy scratched numerous times last year. Or a 3.5 cap hit who paced for 11 goals/30 points last year. Good god. Can we just 'pass' on this one?"

Dubas: "Jeez, guys, I feel really bad about all of this. Give me 5 minutes."

Dubas: "Back. Alright guys. I just made a trade an will now expose a CHEAPER forward who paced for 26 goals and 60 points last year. Does that tickle your fancy?"

Seattle: "Aw shucks, thanks so much Dubas. You're always so willing to help out any team not named the Toronto Maple Leafs."

 

[The CyNick]

All this shows is the leafs were lucky that Vegas came into the league when most of their promising young players were exempt due to having less than 2 full seasons

We had at forward better players that were not available to be picked vs this year (Robertson, amirov, etc)

Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Hyman + Kapanen/AJ was incredible offensive star power and depth. When combined with bozak, brown, Kadri, JVR we had probably the most offensively deep leafs roster ever from 2016 to 2018

I remember posting at that time we need to take advantage of those years because we would never have that kind of depth again. As usual, I was eventually proven correct.

 

[zeke]

That's because our rookies weren't eligible at that time.

Matthews/Nylander/Marner/Kapanen/AJ/Hyman were exempt so we were fortunate. Depth wise the team was better at forward in 2017 then now. Defensively we are better now

Matthews ----- Matthews
Marner --------- Marner
Nylander ------ Nylander
Hyman --------- Tavares
JVR --------------- McCann
Kadri ----------- Kerfoot
Bozak ----------- Spezza
Komarov ------ Mikheyev
Martin --------- Simmonds
Kappy (21) --- Robertson (20)
Johnsson (23) - Engvall (24)

Then Lou spent $6m on Marleau while the leafs have about $3-4m to sign another forward.

And this is after two years of flat cap for dubas!

 

[hamzarocks]

Matthews ----- Matthews
Marner --------- Marner
Nylander ------ Nylander
Hyman --------- Tavares
JVR --------------- McCann
Kadri ----------- Kerfoot
Bozak ----------- Spezza
Komarov ------ Mikheyev
Martin --------- Simmonds
Kappy (21) --- Robertson (20)
Johnsson (23) - Engvall (24)

Then Lou spent $6m on Marleau while the leafs have about $3-4m to sign another forward.

Leafs will have more than 3-4M most likely as Kerfoot or McCann are the probable picks.

Marleau deal at 6M was fine if only it had been for 2 years term. In year 1 he was still a good player giving near 50 points. Year 2 he fell off but if it had been 2 years we'd have gotten decent value from the deal.

JT deal cost us depth as well as we overpaid our captain by 2-3M and lost JVR and bozak as a result

 

[Burnie97]

I remember posting at that time we need to take advantage of those years because we would never have that kind of depth again. As usual, I was eventually proven correct.

You know what happens to balloons when you blow them up too much right?

 

[4thline]

That wasn't the point.

The point is that our unprotected list reflects on our lack of depth.

There wasn't a point. It was insanity bordering on trolling. By that logic if we valued Holl a little less it would mean that we are a deeper team because we'd protect more forwards- despite nothing else changing.

It's based on the utterly nonsensical premise that being deemed less important to protect than Holl = "not worthy of expansion protection." It even had the audacity to compare us to some truly shit teams and say that because they protected 7 forwards (some of whom that wouldn't make our roster) they are deeper. It was agenda driven crap that could have been (and no doubt would have been) reversed to highlight our lack of depth at D had we decided to go 7-3-1

 

[hockeywiz542]

Seattle Kraken Expansion Draft: 10 most intriguing players left unprotected - Sportsnet.ca

Jared McCann

Age: 25

Contract status: One year at $2.94-million AAV.

CJ’s take: This was an interesting call since the Leafs acquired McCann in a Saturday afternoon trade with the Pittsburgh Penguins and then immediately exposed him in the expansion draft. It could be a sign that Kyle Dubas already has a trade worked out with Francis regarding Toronto’s selection or perhaps McCann amounted to expansion insurance because it guaranteed that at least one of he or Alexander Kerfoot would remain with the Leafs entering next season. McCann is coming off his most productive NHL season and brings middle-of-the-lineup versatility. It’s hard to imagine the Leafs wanting to lose him.

 

[zeke]

I remember posting at that time we need to take advantage of those years because we would never have that kind of depth again. As usual, I was eventually proven correct.

You're right that Lou absolutely wasted those prime ELC years by throwing away all his money on stiffs like Marleau and Zaitsev. So congrats.

 

[Smif]

I remember posting at that time we need to take advantage of those years because we would never have that kind of depth again. As usual, I was eventually proven correct.

Really bold prediction when your three best players are on elc's. Too bad our defense consisted of Hainsey, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Borgman and Polak.

 

[The CyNick]

You know what happens to balloons when you blow them up too much right?

When the balloon you are blowing has the capacity of the known universe, it's not much of an issue.

 

[deprw]

I don’t know if it’s a matter of necessarily hitting on the picks but just demonstrate that those “fridge” picks are part of a healthy diet of draft selections. Like Fedor Gordeev was a big project pick. Didn’t work out. But once in a while go take another look, see if you can grab an Erik Cernak.

In overall I think we should have drafted more defense over the years, I think we changed strategy 2018, but it's hard to judge our drafts after Hunter left. I think what we need now is more NHL ready players in overall, so we can juggle our roster with ELC players and trade away quantity for quality. Now we have gone trough european UFA route, since our drafting has lacked and we have seasoned Lilly and Sandman pretty long. Usually contending teams have been lucky to get few home run picks from later rounds and I think were lacking in that regard. Blackhawks drafted Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson on later rounds and I think that is more essential to their Stanley Cups than drafting Kane & Toews on first round. That pipeline of defense was the reason they could contend so quickly. Though I thinks it's mosly coincidence since they haven't been able to draft those kind of defenders after that, but it's enough if you strike few times in a decade.

Drafting physical dman on 1st round have been usually a bit problematic, because it's way easier to use your size advantage in junior hockey than in professional hockey. Fear factor might turn around and it changes the game, you don't intimidate your opponent, but they start intimidate you and defending is way different with bigger and more skilled players. That's why I'm would have been overly skeptical about that Schneider pick, thought his stats up to this point look promising.

 

[The Masters]

Vegas list vs Seattle List
(Exposed in brackets)

Anderson --- Campbell
(Sparks) --- (Hutchinson)
(Bibeau) --- n/a

Rielly --------- Rielly
Gardiner ---- Muzzin
Carrick -------- Brodie
(Marincin) --- Holl
(Marchenko) - (Dermott)

Kadri ----------- Matthews
VanRiemsdyk - Marner
Bozak ----------- Tavares
Brown ---------- Nylander
Komarov ------- (McCann)
Martin ----------- (Kerfoot)
Leivo -------------- (Engvall)
(Leipsic) --------- (Anderson)
(Fehr) ------------- (Spezza)
(Rychel) ---------- (Simmonds)
(Smith) ----------- (Brooks)

Who'd they take? Rychel?

 

[The CyNick]

You're right that Lou absolutely wasted those prime ELC years by throwing away all his money on stiffs like Marleau and Zaitsev. So congrats.

Ha! Are we really going to get into a Lou vs Dubas debate? It's kinda sad at this point for Dubas. Lou is tired of all the winning, meanwhile Dubas is grasping at straws to keep his job.

 

[The CyNick]

Really bold prediction when your three best players are on elc's. Too bad our defense consisted of Hainsey, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Borgman and Polak.

MANY people on here were saying I was crazy for saying it and the best was yet to come for this team. A few years under the Dubas regime and we long for those first couple years when at least the team had potential and worked hard. Sad.

 

[zeke]

Who'd they take? Rychel?

Leipsic

 

[zeke]

Ha! Are we really going to get into a Lou vs Dubas debate? It's kinda sad at this point for Dubas. Lou is tired of all the winning, meanwhile Dubas is grasping at straws to keep his job.

Hey you were proven right that Lou shouldn't have wasted those prime ELC years with such laughably bad contracts on useless players.

Congrats!

 

[The CyNick]

Hey you were proven right that Lou shouldn't have wasted those prime ELC years with such laughably bad contracts on useless players.

Congrats!

It just needed an experienced GM to take the next step.

That was also the peak of this current run. Dubas took the controls and ran the thing into the ground. Meanwhile Lou constructed a new team and got them within a game of the Finals. He's also back to back GMOTY. Happy to continue this comparison of the two GMs.

 

[Burnie97]

When the balloon you are blowing has the capacity of the known universe, it's not much of an issue.

Lol... right on

You do you.

 

[Mess]

Seattle Kraken Expansion Draft: 10 most intriguing players left unprotected - Sportsnet.ca

Jared McCann

Age: 25

Contract status: One year at $2.94-million AAV.

CJ’s take: This was an interesting call since the Leafs acquired McCann in a Saturday afternoon trade with the Pittsburgh Penguins and then immediately exposed him in the expansion draft. It could be a sign that Kyle Dubas already has a trade worked out with Francis regarding Toronto’s selection or perhaps McCann amounted to expansion insurance because it guaranteed that at least one of he or Alexander Kerfoot would remain with the Leafs entering next season. McCann is coming off his most productive NHL season and brings middle-of-the-lineup versatility. It’s hard to imagine the Leafs wanting to lose him.

If Seattle is smart they take McCann as he is better than anything else the Leafs had to offer on their own.

Seattle expansion team is going to have a deeper team than our Leafs after the expansion draft is completed, because Leafs forward group will basically consist of the core 4 and likely whomever Seattle doesn't take between Kerfoot and McCann.

Best case scenario Leafs might be up McCann, and then down only Kerfoot, Hallander and a pick post draft post draft where McCann and Kerfoot cap is marginal and only a small cap savings.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

More accurately, this is about having 4 defensemen worth protecting from expansion loss. You do realize that the league's back-to-back cup winners went 4-4-1 too, right?

LOL.

 

[TDotMassive]

Seattle: "We're in a pickle with Toronto. It's like choosing between diarrhea or vomit. A #6 D who was healthy scratched numerous times last year. Or a 3.5 cap hit who paced for 11 goals/30 points last year. Good god. Can we just 'pass' on this one?"

Dubas: "Jeez, guys, I feel really bad about all of this. Give me 5 minutes."

Dubas: "Back. Alright guys. I just made a trade an will now expose a CHEAPER forward who paced for 26 goals and 60 points last year. Does that tickle your fancy?"

Seattle: "Aw shucks, thanks so much Dubas. You're always so willing to help out any team not named the Toronto Maple Leafs."

Except the only reason he was even available in trade was because of the expansion draft... post-draft, one of those 2 players would be gone from the roster, and the trade for McCann would no longer be available. It's just a hedge, that's it, to preserve the roster. Every other team is essentially being weakened by 1 roster player and this gets us out of that.

We also don't know any side deals yet. Hakstol being their new head coach likely means we have some inside of their intent. Hopefully Dubas has a side-deal worked out so they take Dermott and leave us with both Kerfoot and McCann. That would also open up a spot for Lily to advance, and they could pursue another option in free agency.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

It's one player, McCann, Kerfoot or Dermott. I hope we keep McCann but if we lose him, we paid very little to do so. Kerfoot wasn't really a problem last year.

I'm hoping they claim Price for the hilarity.

 

[Mess]

LOL.

Tampa Bay is also in Cap Hell just like the Leafs, but that is something you would expect from a 2 X time Stanley Cup championship team and forced to cut roster players thereafter.

Cup winners often lose good players the following year even when there isn't an expansion draft, simply can't keep winning team talent together. Winning comes at a cost.

Tampa Bay actually needs Seattle to take one of their $5 mil forwards off their hands in Killorn, Palat, Gourde, Johnsson etc to become cap compliant so they're using the expansion draft to their advantage here as some of those forwards would need to go regardless.

There is no shortage of talent at forward in TB behind their 4 they protected Kucherov, Stamkos, Point etc that they couldn't or wouldn't want to have gone 7-3-1. Their strategy is to keep their core in tact with their skilled forwards, Hedman and Vas and become cap compliant.

If our Leafs had Killorn, Palat and Gourde would they be exposing all of them to protect Justin Holl? .. LOL.. Leafs have only McCann and Kerfoot and that required a trade to get to even 6 forwards to worth protecting so that only left 4-4-1 option really.

Context is always important and in the Salary Cap world just follow the money $$ and you will find what is driving roster decisions.

 

[FreeBird]

Seattle Kraken Expansion Draft: 10 most intriguing players left unprotected - Sportsnet.ca

Jared McCann

Age: 25

Contract status: One year at $2.94-million AAV.

CJ’s take: This was an interesting call since the Leafs acquired McCann in a Saturday afternoon trade with the Pittsburgh Penguins and then immediately exposed him in the expansion draft. It could be a sign that Kyle Dubas already has a trade worked out with Francis regarding Toronto’s selection or perhaps McCann amounted to expansion insurance because it guaranteed that at least one of he or Alexander Kerfoot would remain with the Leafs entering next season. McCann is coming off his most productive NHL season and brings middle-of-the-lineup versatility. It’s hard to imagine the Leafs wanting to lose him.

Probably gave our 2nd pick draft smaft has returned