Proposal: Leafs-Ducks

Halla

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Leafs could do it but putting guys on LTIR to create more room this season would severely limit their cap options in the off-season as it'd force bonus overages to carry into next season.

The negative cap consequences for next year would be:

Stoner @ 3.25
+ bonus overages of likely 2-3 million
=5.25 to 6.25 million

Leafs should just keep their cap flexibility and make deals in the off-season where they can add a good vet D which is what they need more then trying to develop another young D (on a team loaded with young D).

5-6 million huh?

they have about 20 million coming off the cap with only Zaitsev, Brown, Hyman as the only guys to resign. leafs could easily flex their financial muscle for the next few years. they are in the clear until Matthews,JVR,Nylander and Marner all get their next contracts
 

loyaltotheend

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For the immediate future, Thompson and Despres can be put on LTIR. That, in addition to demoting Stoner and Larsson gets us about 6.5 million in cap space. Not that this is real cap space, since it is all based off of LTIR which is a daily savings, not an overall cap decrease, but it should be enough to get Lindholm signed in the short term while a deal was worked out.

There will be a move of some kind to clear actual cap space in the next few weeks as Murray and Lindholm finalize a deal. I'd wager it will be a combination of LTIRing Thompson and Despres, and moving either Stoner with something of decent value as a sweetener. The debate over what value of sweetener you need to add to move Stoner has been ongoing all summer, but there is no reason to assume that Stoner's value is so negative that packaging him with a good asset won't net us more than a low pick in return. I think something similar to the OP could be in the works, but I would be shocked if Murray doesn't try to move any number of other picks/prospects before offering one of Montour/Larsson/Theodore to move Stoner. If one of those D prospects was in fact included in a deal with Stoner, I would expect something of value in return. Not just a mid round pick. And I suspect it would have been done well before the season started.

What we do know is that Murray signed players this offseason, and just finished a big new deal for Rakell recently, and while some of his signings are highly questionable, he would not have spent money like that if there wasn't something already agreed to in principle or at least somewhat on the table with another team to help us clear cap. Him signing new players and re-signing Rakell to a non-bridge deal only makes sense if he has other plans in the works. Otherwise it is career suicide for him to be no negligent to our cap and budget issues. That is why Ducks fans aren't really sweating the details or worried that we are about to lose a very good prospect as part of a cap dump.

as a personal opinion though, I would much rather have to swallow a deal like Stoner and Montour for cap space and a pick or prospect, than see us trade Fowler. It's not that I am not high on Montour, or any of our D prospects. I just don't see the point in moving Fowler to sign Lindholm when you can move a prospect and have Fowler and Lindholm in your lineup each night.

Just a question because this post goes against my understanding of how LTIR works.
Don't the Ducks operate on an internal budget below the cap? Because I thought you had to be up against the cap to gain any space with LTIR? Maybe I got it wrong... can anyone clarify this please
 

mydnyte

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Well enough, but if Carrick was so good why Capitals traded him? He was only a part of cap dump deal.

Why did the caps trade Forsberg? ...he was good, Carrick is better than expected, but, not anyting special.
 

Ricky Bobby

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5-6 million huh?

they have about 20 million coming off the cap with only Zaitsev, Brown, Hyman as the only guys to resign. leafs could easily flex their financial muscle for the next few years. they are in the clear until Matthews,JVR,Nylander and Marner all get their next contracts

Yes Stoner would effectively cost us 5-6 million next year because of bonus overages taking effect.

Zaitsev will be getting a big raise and if the Leafs want to pursue an impactful big time player (or even 2) they'll need a good chunk of salary cap space.
 

Dr Johnny Fever

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Just a question because this post goes against my understanding of how LTIR works.
Don't the Ducks operate on an internal budget below the cap? Because I thought you had to be up against the cap to gain any space with LTIR? Maybe I got it wrong... can anyone clarify this please

The Ducks have operated on an internal budget for many years. But, it appears that for now, the internal budget is out the window. At least long enough to get through this mess. I highly doubt it will be a permanent thing.
 

Randy Randerson

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The Ducks have operated on an internal budget for many years. But, it appears that for now, the internal budget is out the window. At least long enough to get through this mess. I highly doubt it will be a permanent thing.

Honest question - would contending for/winning a cup financially warrant spending to the cap for the ducks? Seems like you've got the core pieces right now to do that
 

Sojourn

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Honest question - would contending for/winning a cup financially warrant spending to the cap for the ducks? Seems like you've got the core pieces right now to do that

I'm not sure we can answer that. One would hope.

But at the same time, I think there has been opportunities for that in the past, and I don't think ownership has shown that they feel that way.
 

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