News: Leafs cap - Dubas: We can, and we will keep all our 4 top F

[HasbeenHallzy]

Cool, man. Enjoy!

 

[HasbeenHallzy]

I doubt it happens but remember when Colorado had Sakic, Forsberg, Kariya, Selanne, and Hejduk... With a pretty sick D core too and still weren't that good?

Please don't hurt me I'm just throwing it out there

 

[Lemontree]

Just like the Pens and Caps did before they actually added depth?

So what exactly do you consider depth? Would Kadri, Marleau, Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson (Calder Cup MVP) not count. Is it because they are not journeymen players or because except for Marleau they all fit the age of the young core.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I have no idea why people are acting like we can't fit this roster under the cap next season. We'll likely be unable to add any significant assets, that's true, but we can easily run our current roster for the next two seasons under the cap. We just have to apply all the bonuses to the cap this year. And we'll have to run a young dcore season after this one and hope for the best, but once Marleau and Horton's contracts are over, we're free from worries over the cap. Likely works out to something like this:

16.2 M cap space
-7M Nylander's new contract
+2M Matthews/Marner ELCs coming off the books
-11M Matthews' new contract
-8M Marner's new contract
-Leivo/Carrick/McBackup replaced by equal cost players
+7M letting Hainsey & Gardiner go to UFA
-2M Liljegren and Rosen/UFA replacing Hainsey/Gardiner
+1M Kapanen's ELC gone
-2-2.5M Kapanen's new contract
+2M cap raise
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Comes to 2M over the cap, but with Horton's 5.3M LTIR contract, we're still left with 3.3M in wiggle room.

So there's the math, add 1M each to our 3 young forwards if you're hoping they sign for more, but we're still good cap wise. This would likely be our 2019-2020 roster

[SPOIL]Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Kadri-Kapanen
Grundstrom-Lindholm-Brown

Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
A mix of Rosen/Marincin/Holl/Borgman/UFA

So obviously in 2019-2020 our D is going to be weak but we'll be betting on it just needing to get the puck out of the zone to let the forwards do their work, so considering it's filled with PMDs it shouldn't be too harmful.
[/SPOIL]
So, tell me why I'm wrong and why we're destined for cap hell unless we trade Nylander/Marner to your team for peanuts

Because thats about as dumb as Carolina keeping all of its D men this offseason.

 

[Apotheosis]

Right now as in for this season sure. After That? A whole lot of question marks. Theres also 0 way Dubas can know they WILL sign all 4 and still be competitive. What if Marner has a career year and demands $10+? What if Tavares falls off a cliff and doesn't end up that great? What if the prospects you're banking on don't pan out?

You seem awfully concerned about the Leafs cap considering you're not a Leafs fan.

 

[DKH]

False generalization is false.

Karlsson deal ends ALL Leafs fans 24 hours dream of Cup

I hate you Tampa

 

[Maplebeasts]

Game 7, Round 1 is such a phenomenal accomplishment...lol

That says more about how stupid the playoff format is than it does how good/bad they were. Two of the top 6 teams in the league played each other in round one. How the f*** does that make any sense?

 

[Eat The Rich]

Karlsson deal ends ALL Leafs fans 24 hours dream of Cup

I hate you Tampa

What does that have to do with all Leaf fans thinking alike?

We don't.

Source: A Leafs fan.

 

[Bill Berg]

What does that have to do with all Leaf fans thinking alike?

We don't.

Source: A Leafs fan.

I was going to say the same thing.

 

[DanM]

Just like the Pens and Caps did before they actually added depth?

Haha

First off, we have depth, prospects galore, and will keep drafting well into the future. It's literally the Kyle Dubas MO...

It's not just Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

That says more about how stupid the playoff format is than it does how good/bad they were. Two of the top 6 teams in the league played each other in round one. How the **** does that make any sense?

It shows that Leafs are not getting far in the current format with that defense and goalie...

 

[Maplebeasts]

It shows that Leafs are not getting far in the current format with that defense and goalie...

Alright I'm not bothering with you on this one. If you think we need an elite blue line with our forwards as they are, and an upgrade in net from the guy who just finished top 4 in vezina voting I can't help you.

 

[DanM]

Not only will he keep them, I bet they come in under market value, and we make a move on the backend.

We have one of the best young minds in the sport running things, and capoligists helping him.

Not worried in the least, and I laugh when people bring it up

 

[major major]

You know what, you can even add a 5th elite forward. Just dump Rielly and bam!

The Leafs can obviously keep the 4, the reason it's a topic is because it's presumed that you want a better defence.

Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
A mix of Rosen/Marincin/Holl/Borgman/UFA

You're going to get sick of watching that.

The Pens won the cup with a D core like that in 2017 but it was ugly. They couldn't get out of their own zone and basically only won because of some good sniping and great goaltending.

 

[MR4]

You know what, you can even add a 5th elite forward. Just dump Rielly and bam!

The Leafs can obviously keep the 4, the reason it's a topic is because it's presumed that you want a better defence.



You're going to get sick of watching that.

The Pens won the cup with a D core like that in 2017 but it was ugly. They couldn't get out of their own zone and basically only won because of some good sniping and great goaltending.

I'm sure Vegas hated watching their worse on paper dcore. Fact of the matter is most of the Leafs defensive issues is from their deployment by DJ Smith, not their roster

 

[Tazer19]

Don't you think they are now a far better threat to the Bruins? Let Begeron shut down Matthews. The Leafs have added another #1 C.

The Bergeron line didn’t just shut down the Mathews line, they dominated them. Out scoring then badly.

 

[Muston Atthews]

You know what, you can even add a 5th elite forward. Just dump Rielly and bam!

The Leafs can obviously keep the 4, the reason it's a topic is because it's presumed that you want a better defence.



You're going to get sick of watching that.

The Pens won the cup with a D core like that in 2017 but it was ugly. They couldn't get out of their own zone and basically only won because of some good sniping and great goaltending.

Well, uh, our projected 3rd line centre scored 30 last year.

 

[Boutette]

Karlsson deal ends ALL Leafs fans 24 hours dream of Cup

I hate you Tampa

Until Stamkos' bad leg and Karlsson's bad ankle send them both to the IR for another extended stay.

 

[nbwingsfan]

So what exactly do you consider depth? Would Kadri, Marleau, Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson (Calder Cup MVP) not count. Is it because they are not journeymen players or because except for Marleau they all fit the age of the young core.

Kadri yep, Marleau for one more year and then all of you want to get rid of him, Hyman is a pretty good 3rd liner, Brown was a great 4th liner last season, Kapannen has only showed to be a 20pt player so far, Johnsson had a great playoffs in the AHL (Teemu Pulkinnen once had 34G-61pts in 46 AHL games at the same age).

So no, remains to be seen if they have any kind of depth after this season.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Haha

First off, we have depth, prospects galore, and will keep drafting well into the future. It's literally the Kyle Dubas MO...

It's not just Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares.

You're right, Kyle Dubas is the only GM who wants to draft well.

 

[Jagemon]

Pound for pound Leafs are BY FAR the best team in the NHL

Holy hyperbole Batman!

Yeah, they are not. No matter how you slice or dice that defense is not enough for that team to be called the best. And then you even put BY FAR.. geez.

 

[Jagemon]

26m avv

really now

Actually not even far fetched.

11mil for Matthews
8mil for Marner
7mil for Nylander

Do the math..

 

[Jagemon]

First off, we have depth, prospects galore, and will keep drafting well into the future. It's literally the Kyle Dubas MO...

Well if it is that simple then the league might as well just hand the SC to Toronto.

We will just keep drafting well..

 

[Atomos2]

Kadri yep, Marleau for one more year and then all of you want to get rid of him, Hyman is a pretty good 3rd liner, Brown was a great 4th liner last season, Kapannen has only showed to be a 20pt player so far, Johnsson had a great playoffs in the AHL (Teemu Pulkinnen once had 34G-61pts in 46 AHL games at the same age).

So no, remains to be seen if they have any kind of depth after this season.

You always have a different angle to discredit the leafs after every season. Now that they are cup contenders you’re trying to take a shot at their depth. How was Tampa’s depth the year after their farm team one the Calder cup. The fact that the Marlies iced a young team that won speaks volumes about the depth coming into the organization.

Sure we don’t know if it’ll be transferable but it’s not like we’re expecting them to lead our team in scoring. They are depth players. You’re being heavily skeptical if you think a Marlies championship team doesn’t have at least a few players that can provide solid depth for the leafs in the future.

I mean if the champions have this much doubt, god help the other unfortunate teams.

 

[LeafFever]

I doubt it happens but remember when Colorado had Sakic, Forsberg, Kariya, Selanne, and Hejduk... With a pretty sick D core too and still weren't that good?

Please don't hurt me I'm just throwing it out there

Remember when all those other talented teams won cups?
What you are not mentioining is Colorado the same summer they added Kariya and Selanne lost the greatest goalie in NHl history to retirement.
The Leafs added 1 player to their strong, existing young core.