Post-Game Talk: Leafs Blow Another Lead, Lose to Avs

[capfit9]

Say goodbye to your job asshole. Enjoy the lawsuit too, you probably deserve it.

 

[Brown Dog]

Hate to say it because I'm sure they're trying their best, but the officiating is just so poor. They basically just make it up as they go.

I'm almost to the point where I'm thinking it's impossible to officiate this sport well. It's just so fast with so much happening all at once and most infractions are not black and white and decisions have to be made in a split second.

But how Manson's crosscheck (on one of the superstar players of the league no less!) is not an easy, obvious call is just beyond me.

 

[capfit9]

 

[All Mod Cons]

The Leafs have had as many PPs this week as the Avs had tonight. It took us a week, haha

 

[Rare Jewel]

You better look up what the definition of crosschecking is.

I'm fine, I cited an incident of cross-checking.

I'd say the Manson play is at the lower end of it. Look at any end-front battle, and you'll see loads of it. Matthews was hunched over, so that plays into it, but I don't think Manson put the kind of force or aggressivity into it to call it. and due to Matthews's posture, he went into the boards and ice awkwardly.

 

[Rare Jewel]

And a team with high possession should yield roughly the same.

Maybe, but typically, teams now just collapse in front of the goal when cycles happen; there's much less of a chance of obstruction happening then.

Speed and transition create more obvious situations for the refs to call penalties, it would seem.

Colorado does both.

 

[Gallagbi]

Didn't seem like a well called game, but we didn't play well after he first. It's just not a good defensive team overall.

 

[Stephen]

Yeah, they clearly had them on their proline.

I'm sorry but I can't rationalize that the refs or the league are out to get Toronto. I think you have to assume that the refs, in particular, are completely professional and try to call it evenly. They are going to miss stuff, and I'll concede the Domi play if you like, but based on the balance of how the game was played, I don't feel it was a factor.

Come off it man.

I don't have to assume NHL refs are completely professional because I know they are not. They have a hard job, have no home games and zero fans. Sure. But are driven by petty politics, egotistical and close enough to the competition that they are clouded by emotion, and will put their thumb on the scale and the imbalance, timing and quantity of those calls tonight mapped out very closely with the momentum change in the game. Like why is a Jake McCabe shove on Rantanen a penalty while a Josh Manson crosscheck on Matthews a non call? These are blatant.

I also know that Colorado is a powerplay darling in this league who average almost 1 additional powerplay per game than the Leafs.

BTW, this isn't to say the Leafs deserved to win this game at any point beyond the half way point of the second period. Their coach was outcoached, stars were humiliated and whatever structure they think they have completely crumbled when the Avs pushed. The blame lies with the team. But fact remains the officials made themselves a big part of the Avs comeback. And that is unacceptable.

 

[Cypruss]

I never understand why people get so emotional about Marner then call him a baby and other insults lol. It’s hella weird. It’s not that deep and if you care this deeply about Marner you need to reevaluate your life.

Criticize his play 100%, everything else is just immature.

Speaking of immature…

 

[notDatsyuk]

Third line was good.

Marner was bad.

I thought Keefe had finally figured something out when he benched JT after the penalty (which we killed off) and his aimless wandering from the time he stepped back on the ice until they scored. Then he put him out at the end, just in time to take one bad angle shot (that missed and almost came out of the zone) and two bad passes, the second of which ended up in our net.

Willy had more PK time than Mitch (and wasn't scored on).

 

[HofT]

Maybe, but typically, teams now just collapse in front of the goal when cycles happen; there's much less of a chance of obstruction happening then.

Speed and transition create more obvious situations for the refs to call penalties, it would seem.

Colorado does both.

I saw plenty of obstruction this game that went uncalled against the Leafs. Refs could have even'd out the penalties like what they do for every other team in the league.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Come off it man.

I don't have to assume NHL refs are completely professional because I know they are not. They have a hard job, have no home games and zero fans. Sure. But are driven by petty politics, egotistical and close enough to the competition that they are clouded by emotion, and will put their thumb on the scale and the imbalance, timing and quantity of those calls tonight mapped out very closely with the momentum change in the game. Like why is a Jake McCabe shove on Rantanen a penalty while a Josh Manson crosscheck on Matthews a non call? These are blatant.

I also know that Colorado is a powerplay darling in this league who average almost 1 additional powerplay per game than the Leafs.

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BTW, this isn't to say the Leafs deserved to win this game at any point beyond the half way point of the second period. Their coach was outcoached, stars were humiliated and whatever structure they think they have completely crumbled when the Avs pushed. The blame lies with the team. But fact remains the officials made themselves a big part of the Avs comeback. And that is unacceptable.

Well, what do they have against St. Louis and New Jersey? And by the logic of the league taking advantage of Toronto, a high-revenue Canadian market, why isn't Montreal or Vancouver down there as well? Also, why are NYR and Boston so low?

I saw plenty of obstruction this game that went uncalled against the Leafs. Refs could have even'd out the penalties like what they do for every other team in the league.

Did you also see the calls missed for the Avs?

 

[myleafs]

Keefe is such a terrible coach, never adjusts, we got players like Marner who just absolutely refuse to change their style of play for the betterment of the team. Marner needs Matthews, Matthews doesn’t need Marner. I’d trade Marner in a heart beat. And I’d let Tavares walk. It’s so obvious Nylander and Matthews drive this team. Marner loves to show off his 10k veneers when he smiles. All I see from Matthews is goals with smiles

I think Marner would thrive playing on a line that he drives. When he was with Domi and Knies a few games back I thought he looked more like his old self than I had seen in a while.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Yes, the refs were bad, But this a core 4 and Coach Dudley Dumbass problem. If I were Tre, I would be making a call to Summerside, PEI.

 

[WillNy29]

The difference between a contender and a pretender was on full display in this game after the 1st period.

didnt that cup contender play like a bunch of bitches in the first period too? they didnt play a full 60..even though everyone is clamouring for that.

i also happened to recall said cup contender blew a 4-0 lead to the coyotes this season

 

[Mess]

Leafs are built for entertainment purposes and that was an entertaining game.

Interesting strategy by Keefe going with essentially only 2 lines on the 3rd period when Nylander joined the Matthews line.

Leafs continue to lose games where they have multiple goal leads.

 

[WillNy29]

Yes, but they’re not good enough to protect a lead like that against a Stanley cup contender.

then why did this contender not protect a 4 goal lead against the coyotes?

 

[Leafs87]

The defence was bad tonight. To not be able to protect a 3 goal lead is unacceptable for a team with playoff aspirations.

No context, no story. Does look excessive though.

No context or story needed. That’s clear excessive force. The guy was on his back with 3 people holding him down and didn’t even look like he was resisting.

 

[WillNy29]

I also, felt we showed a lack of heart. Your best player gets a dirty crosscheck and you just watch him n do nothing...

the moment mccabe decided to do something he was sent to the penalty box.

 

[KBobs]

Wow, didn't think the Avs would be able to come back given their injuries (missing 3 of their top 6 F, Wood, and Byram). Leafs tops guys were invisible in the last 2 periods - have to think they'll respond tomorrow night.

 

[HofT]

Well, what do they have against St. Louis and New Jersey? And by the logic of the league taking advantage of Toronto, a high-revenue Canadian market, why isn't Montreal or Vancouver down there as well? Also, why are NYR and Boston so low?


Did you also see the calls missed for the Avs?

We'll be talking in a circle. Both teams had missed calls. But Avs has had egregious ones that were uncalled and when you compare to every other game especially tonight they're all pretty much evened up in penalties. That's usually how refs call games.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Matthews is getting more than Mackinnon, and then in 4 years he will get EVEN MORE.

 

[Rare Jewel]

We'll be talking in a circle. Both teams had missed calls. But Avs has had egregious ones that were uncalled and when you compared to every other game especially tonight they're all pretty much evened up in penalties. That's usually how refs call games.

Clearly, if it keeps happening to Colorado, they're doing something right.

 

[WillNy29]

I think Winnipeg should be a great example to look at for Toronto. Got rid of the majority of the stars but became a better team. Sometime addition is by subtraction. Would you rather 2 players at 5.5 then 1 guy that isn’t doing much.

last I checked Schiefele, Ehlers, Morrissey and Helleybuyk are still there...only star gone is PLD?

 

[Saltcreek]

No context, no story. Does look excessive though.

No context need, that is a prison sentence and a major payout. The guy is most likely concussed and has no clue what is going on. Seeing something like this enrages me and I would not have objected to the crowd intervening to potentially save a life