Post-Game Talk: Leafs at Rangers 12/23/2013

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Disgraceful is a nice way of putting it.

If we were a year or so in to this debacle and Henrik was still floundering and playing like a washed up has-been, I could understand the concerns, and a want for getting out of his contract.

At this point, with how bad this entire team has been, and Henrik having what amounts to the worst stretch in his career after 7 years of nothing but the best, it is absolutely criminal reading the reactionary ******** on this board.

People have no problem defending inconsistent nothingmasters like Derick Brassard who have done nothing, and brought nothing to this franchise, but willingly take a verbal dump on the one beacon of hope and success this team has had since the second lockout.

I'll admit Henrik has probably been the best and worst thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. If he doesn't show up, maybe they flop a few years and end up with some of the past half-a-decades really nice draft picks, but on the other hand maybe Glen Sather continues his streak of making egregious errors and we'd still be in the Dark Ages of Rangers hockey.

No matter how you slice it, Henrik has brought great moments to this franchise including a Vezina caliber season that lead to an ECF, that if he had only had goal support in from the rest of his finish inept teammates, would have led to a SCF at the very least.

These boards are the worst. Absolutely the most irrational and ungrateful group I've ever met. Especially with what Glen Sather has brought this franchise over the past 13 years.

Edit: For the record I believe Lundqvist absolutely deserves criticism when he plays poorly, it's the stuff beyond that, that is uncalled for.

Wonderful post, 10/10, would read again.

 

[ArPanet]

Since some higher up told AV that Nash gets an A then surely there's no way Nash will get benched.

 

[Boruto]

pls, Ailurophileijs, say it again

 

[Ail]

pls, Ailurophileijs, say it again

Okay,

Disgraceful is a nice way of putting it.

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joson, plas

 

[Riverdale]

This whole fanbase would kill for a guy like Ovi. Think he hasn't had down seasons?

Hank will rebound. On my list of things I am concerned about with this team/franchise Henrik is nowhere near the top.

 

[RangersHank*]

Ailurophile just make a thread and post what you said so mods can sticky it.

 

[kovazub94]

Disgraceful is a nice way of putting it.

If we were a year or so in to this debacle and Henrik was still floundering and playing like a washed up has-been, I could understand the concerns, and a want for getting out of his contract.

At this point, with how bad this entire team has been, and Henrik having what amounts to the worst stretch in his career after 7 years of nothing but the best, it is absolutely criminal reading the reactionary ******** on this board.

People have no problem defending inconsistent nothingmasters like Derick Brassard who have done nothing, and brought nothing to this franchise, but willingly take a verbal dump on the one beacon of hope and success this team has had since the second lockout.

I'll admit Henrik has probably been the best and worst thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. If he doesn't show up, maybe they flop a few years and end up with some of the past half-a-decades really nice draft picks, but on the other hand maybe Glen Sather continues his streak of making egregious errors and we'd still be in the Dark Ages of Rangers hockey.

No matter how you slice it, Henrik has brought great moments to this franchise including a Vezina caliber season that lead to an ECF, that if he had only had goal support in from the rest of his finish inept teammates, would have led to a SCF at the very least.

These boards are the worst. Absolutely the most irrational and ungrateful group I've ever met. Especially with what Glen Sather has brought this franchise over the past 13 years.

Edit: For the record I believe Lundqvist absolutely deserves criticism when he plays poorly, it's the stuff beyond that, that is uncalled for.

Bravo! Without posts like this ( and posters)I would've quit this place long ago. I feel ashamed even reading this anti-Henrik nonsense because it disgraces the whole NYR board.

 

[kovazub94]

Ailurophile just make a thread and post what you said so mods can sticky it.

Second it.

 

[CharlieCharleschuk]

Sather jumped the gun with no bidding competition to speak of and handed out another massive contract which will not allow for roster flexibility in the long run.

Whatever you feel about Lundqvist, whatever you think his chances of playing better (someday?) are, why is this contract good for this team?

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Sather jumped the gun with no bidding competition to speak of and handed out another massive contract which will not allow for roster flexibility in the long run.

Whatever you feel about Lundqvist, whatever you think his chances of playing better (someday?) are, why is this contract good for this team?

Because Hank is the best goaltender in the league and 30 games isn't enough to convince me otherwise.

The only legitimate argument is that recent cup teams haven't broken the bank on a goalie. If you take the fact that he's a goalie out of it, it makes absolutely perfect sense to lock up the best player at any position for that much money.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Was at the game. My one game a year while visiting family for the holidays. It was great to see a win but I'm very concerned about Nash. He looked worse in person than on TV. Either he's not healthy or his decline has begun early. I didn't see anything close to an elite player.

 

[Pizza]

Disgraceful is a nice way of putting it.

If we were a year or so in to this debacle and Henrik was still floundering and playing like a washed up has-been, I could understand the concerns, and a want for getting out of his contract.

At this point, with how bad this entire team has been, and Henrik having what amounts to the worst stretch in his career after 7 years of nothing but the best, it is absolutely criminal reading the reactionary ******** on this board.

People have no problem defending inconsistent nothingmasters like Derick Brassard who have done nothing, and brought nothing to this franchise, but willingly take a verbal dump on the one beacon of hope and success this team has had since the second lockout.

I'll admit Henrik has probably been the best and worst thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. If he doesn't show up, maybe they flop a few years and end up with some of the past half-a-decades really nice draft picks, but on the other hand maybe Glen Sather continues his streak of making egregious errors and we'd still be in the Dark Ages of Rangers hockey.

No matter how you slice it, Henrik has brought great moments to this franchise including a Vezina caliber season that lead to an ECF, that if he had only had goal support in from the rest of his finish inept teammates, would have led to a SCF at the very least.

These boards are the worst. Absolutely the most irrational and ungrateful group I've ever met. Especially with what Glen Sather has brought this franchise over the past 13 years.

Edit: For the record I believe Lundqvist absolutely deserves criticism when he plays poorly, it's the stuff beyond that, that is uncalled for.

Amen, Amen.

Easily in the Top ten posts of the year so far. Really nice way to bring us in to Christmas. Thanks for this.

 

[Hire Sather]

Disgraceful is a nice way of putting it.

If we were a year or so in to this debacle and Henrik was still floundering and playing like a washed up has-been, I could understand the concerns, and a want for getting out of his contract.

At this point, with how bad this entire team has been, and Henrik having what amounts to the worst stretch in his career after 7 years of nothing but the best, it is absolutely criminal reading the reactionary ******** on this board.

People have no problem defending inconsistent nothingmasters like Derick Brassard who have done nothing, and brought nothing to this franchise, but willingly take a verbal dump on the one beacon of hope and success this team has had since the second lockout.

I'll admit Henrik has probably been the best and worst thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. If he doesn't show up, maybe they flop a few years and end up with some of the past half-a-decades really nice draft picks, but on the other hand maybe Glen Sather continues his streak of making egregious errors and we'd still be in the Dark Ages of Rangers hockey.

No matter how you slice it, Henrik has brought great moments to this franchise including a Vezina caliber season that lead to an ECF, that if he had only had goal support in from the rest of his finish inept teammates, would have led to a SCF at the very least.

These boards are the worst. Absolutely the most irrational and ungrateful group I've ever met. Especially with what Glen Sather has brought this franchise over the past 13 years.

Edit: For the record I believe Lundqvist absolutely deserves criticism when he plays poorly, it's the stuff beyond that, that is uncalled for.

Theres really only a select few who go too far on Hank, and those people did it even before this season.

For the most part, everything said on this board about Hank has been deserved this season. Hes given up many soft goals, and goals early in games that have just killed the team during this homestand.

 

[94now]

For the most part, everything said on this board about Hank has been deserved this season.

Ahh... No. I am well documented Lundqvist doubter, but people are going too far here making Hank similar to Malik or even Poti in their disappointments with the team.
This is a good team, IMHO, with questionable goaltending, not a bad team taking Hank down with them. Goaltending will remain a problem until Lundqvist is back. I do not expect Talbot to repeat Hank's 2006 performance, but if he does that would be another way to address the G problem.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Theres really only a select few who go too far on Hank, and those people did it even before this season.

For the most part, everything said on this board about Hank has been deserved this season. Hes given up many soft goals, and goals early in games that have just killed the team during this homestand.

Nope. Large swaths of people consistently make ridiculous claims based on 30 games.

 

[park rangers]

Ahh... No. I am well documented Lundqvist doubter, but people are going too far here making Hank similar to Malik or even Poti in their disappointments with the team.
This is a good team, IMHO, with questionable goaltending, not a bad team taking Hank down with them. Goaltending will remain a problem until Lundqvist is back. I do not expect Talbot to repeat Hank's 2006 performance, but if he does that would be another way to address the G problem.

Just confused by this post. If you say our goaltending has been questionable then how can you let the rest of the team off the hook?

In what category can you say the Rangers have been good at so far this year? Scoring, defense, special teams? We've had long stretches where we can't score nor defend and a few stretches of bad play on the PK/PP.

Goaltending (Hank) is not THE problem, it is part of the problem.

 

[CharlieCharleschuk]

Because Hank is the best goaltender in the league and 30 games isn't enough to convince me otherwise.

No, this is Sather-logic. The system has changed and Lundqvist hasn't kept up. Will he? Won't he? Wouldn't it have been smarter to wait and see before giving him a monster extension?

Anyway, while you're under no obligation to answer (if you could?), I asked for an explanation about why this contract won't become onerous, even if Lundqvist returns to form, in the years ahead. All players fade with time and changing systems and eras. Only a select few keep producing past their early to mid 30's. Is putting a large chunk of cap space into a player that hasn't yet shown that he will work in the new system a smart move?

Or is it a Sather move?

 

[MTrangers]

I'm still very confident that Hank will turn it around at some point but I think the point is that he is paid like someone who you should count on EVERY night they are on the ice. Players like pouliot, Pyatt and MDZ aren't paid that way. I think as Rangers fans we are so used to our highest paid players often being the most frustrating and underperforming (ie: Gabby, Richards and Nash. We could go further back but you get the point) that we become accustomed to not holding what should be our top players accountable. I think we are all a little scarred by our past and present with our big name players and just don't want it to happen again. Frankly, it shouldn't happen. Lundqvist should be held to a higher standard than Nash, Richards etc. as he is generally been the model of consistency and I think we all have as much faith in Hank as any other player. With that said, he deserves criticism when he doesn't play well IMO.

 

[JCrusher*]

I'm still very confident that Hank will turn it around at some point but I think the point is that he is paid like someone who you should count on EVERY night they are on the ice. Players like pouliot, Pyatt and MDZ aren't paid that way. I think as Rangers fans we are so used to our highest paid players often being the most frustrating and underperforming (ie: Gabby, Richards and Nash. We could go further back but you get the point) that we become accustomed to not holding what should be our top players accountable. I think we are all a little scarred by our past and present with our big name players and just don't want it to happen again. Frankly, it shouldn't happen. Lundqvist should be held to a higher standard than Nash, Richards etc. as he is generally been the model of consistency and I think we all have as much faith in Hank as any other player. With that said, he deserves criticism when he doesn't play well IMO.

Good Points. im neutral when it comes to hank's play. I dont like fans who want to get rid of him BUT i also dont like fans who never criticize him. The fact is that we are gonna need Hank in order to get to the playoffs and hopefully further so he needs to be much much better. The players around him need to better but its up to hank to play well. I mean Talbot plays on the same team that Hank does and he does fine so its just a matter of Hank getting his confidence back

 

[Maineice11]

I missed the game last night, traveled back to Maine from Connecticut and got in before the game started, but thanks to the ice storm no power at our house. Limbs down all over the place, still no power yet

I'm happy to see Rangers got the win last night, 2 in a row is huge for this team's confidence. I'm sure hank will pull out of his slump soon. He played well under Renney and Torts, two different coaches. I'm sure he will be fine once he gains confidence. Probably after the new year begins.

Merry Christmas to everyone here! Hoping to have power back on for Christmas!

 

[MTrangers]

Good Points. im neutral when it comes to hank's play. I dont like fans who want to get rid of him BUT i also dont like fans who never criticize him. The fact is that we are gonna need Hank in order to get to the playoffs and hopefully further so he needs to be much much better. The players around him need to better but its up to hank to play well. I mean Talbot plays on the same team that Hank does and he does fine so its just a matter of Hank getting his confidence back

Yup, exactly. We NEED Hank, there isn't another option in which we'd be a successful team. Players like Zucc aren't the sort of players we should have to count on to be a decent looking team, but thankfully he has been more than what we expected and hoped.

It is scary how much better the team plays when Talbot is in net though. There is no denying that. I'd be so annoyed with that fact if I were Hank.

 

[LeafOfBread]

Was it this song? They play this song a lot at MSG.

Thanks for responding, unfortunately that wasn't the one This one is a bit newer, it was either from this past year or the year before.

 

[broadwayblue]

I'm still very confident that Hank will turn it around at some point but I think the point is that he is paid like someone who you should count on EVERY night they are on the ice. Players like pouliot, Pyatt and MDZ aren't paid that way. I think as Rangers fans we are so used to our highest paid players often being the most frustrating and underperforming (ie: Gabby, Richards and Nash. We could go further back but you get the point) that we become accustomed to not holding what should be our top players accountable. I think we are all a little scarred by our past and present with our big name players and just don't want it to happen again. Frankly, it shouldn't happen. Lundqvist should be held to a higher standard than Nash, Richards etc. as he is generally been the model of consistency and I think we all have as much faith in Hank as any other player. With that said, he deserves criticism when he doesn't play well IMO.

Pretty much every star athlete goes through a tough stretch. Remember a year ago when everyone thought Ovechkin was washed up? We've been beyond spoiled by Hank for quite a few years. Sure, he deserves criticism for his poor play...but only to a point. 28 games does not make a career.

 

[MTrangers]

Pretty much every star athlete goes through a tough stretch. Remember a year ago when everyone thought Ovechkin was washed up? We've been beyond spoiled by Hank for quite a few years. Sure, he deserves criticism for his poor play...but only to a point. 28 games does not make a career.

Yup for sure. There is a difference between being worried about a player to the point of thinking their prime is over and criticizing a player. It does feel like some people on here literally think we'd be a better team without him and that he's washed up. I'm not saying that at all. I know I get critized and hounded a little if I don't do my work properly and I believe an iconic athlete also needs critizism if it's called for. Doesn't mean I think he's a ****** goalie, it just means he's struggling and needs to find his A game.

Nash on the other hand...I don't know what his deal is. He's who I'm worried about.

 

[94now]

Just confused by this post. If you say our goaltending has been questionable then how can you let the rest of the team off the hook?

In what category can you say the Rangers have been good at so far this year? Scoring, defense, special teams? We've had long stretches where we can't score nor defend and a few stretches of bad play on the PK/PP.

Goaltending (Hank) is not THE problem, it is part of the problem.

If you're good at defense, scoring, PP/PK and have a good G, the SC is within the reach. No one does all at all times. Yet, if you pick one out of all that can get you a better results right away, the goaltending would be the one, hands down. There is no sense to look back at this point. Did you like last 2 games or not? Would the team play the same and result would stay the same should Hank be in net? Highly unlikely. And that is the only point. No one should question Lundqvist's talent and skills. Yet his inability to deliver now is the only serious problem we face (assuming the team only designed to make a playoffs, no more).