Leafs are the Victims: Editor in Leaf

[Garthinater]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Kyle Dubas Will Come Out of This a Legend

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are the victims of a results-based industry that has really no idea how to evaluate a team that got very unlucky."

Why is editor in leaf so bad? Is he paid by the leafs?

This James Tanner reminds me of a few posters around these parts.

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[Cor]

You know how Baghead on Twitter is angled towards the “everything is awful all the time no matter what” crowd?

Editor in Leaf is aimed at the “everything is great all the time no matter what” crowd.


Both very different but the same

 

[Gallagbi]

It's more positive than I'd go, but I understand the logic.

I think the problem in comparing to Tampa or really any cup winner outside of young Chicago and Pitts is they turned over some large core pieces to win.

Tampa lost key assets like Bishop and MSL. Just like LA flipped Schenn and Simmonds for their cup win. Washington was similar in losing Green and Semin.

Right now we're sticking with out group instead of shooting for that change and a lot of those teams had to take a step back, some missing the playoffs, to start ramping up again with the leftover core.

 

[egd27]

The author is a hard core Dubas apologist. I'd be willing to bet he posts here quite regularly.

 

[Gallagbi]

The author is a hard core Dubas apologist. I'd be willing to bet he posts here quite regularly.

That'd be great. While I don't agree with the article he's reasoned it with examples and explained his positioned. We could really use more well reasoned responses around these parts.

 

[justashadowof]

Blogger got super unlucky with an over-activated self-delusion gene.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

"Victims of a results based industry"

Yeah, huge victims having been bounced in the first round or missed the playoffs in the last 5 years straight.

At some point you need to look in the mirror. I believe this team has underperformed but 5 straight years of it points to lazy players with no heart.

 

[Stonehands1990]

The author is a hard core Dubas apologist. I'd be willing to bet he posts here quite regularly.

I can tell just by reading that article he’s probably never played a game of hockey in his life. This narrative that we won the expected goals battle is such nonsense. It implies that Montreal and CBJ would try to trade chances with us. As for “getting goalied” we make it easy for the goalie. Nobody on this team crashes the net hard for screens, tips and rebounds. Expected goals means nothing when the goalie has a clear view of the shot and can take away the entire net because there’s zero traffic

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

James Tanner is an idiot, he use to post in the Leaf Facebook groups I'm in, I remember when the Leafs finished last, he tried to convince me that Jake Gardiner, Nazem Kadri, and James Reimer were franchise players when I asked if that were the case why was the team in last place he couldn't answer, because there is no answer, because he's an idiot, and if he was here today, I'd have more infractions then I do because I would be constantly telling him he's an idiot again.

 

[Buds17]

The NHL is a results based industry and that's precisely the point. It's tough to find much fault with wins. Lose, and the questions will be numerous. Have to hope that mainly running it back will be the right decision - if that's where this is ultimately heading - because hope is essentially what we'll have.

 

[justashadowof]

This dude is right. Results Prejudice is an epidemic in sections of Leafs' Nation where the fans are too stupid to see the finest of the world's most delicate silks also known as Expected Victories.

 

[Stephen]

Can we even call the Leafs year to year revolving door a "process" anymore? Or is this just a big market team churning through free agency and quickly burning through future assets hoping to hit the right combination?

So when you don't have a process or results, what are we talking about?

 

[Bomber0104]

The guy's either a moron or trolling for attention.

Results are precisely how GM's are evaluated.

 

[Bomber0104]

I can tell just by reading that article he’s probably never played a game of hockey in his life. This narrative that we won the expected goals battle is such nonsense. It implies that Montreal and CBJ would try to trade chances with us. As for “getting goalied” we make it easy for the goalie. Nobody on this team crashes the net hard for screens, tips and rebounds. Expected goals means nothing when the goalie has a clear view of the shot and can take away the entire net because there’s zero traffic

The Leafs are "winners" of a game-within-a-game that no one else cares about, but them and a few clueless people on the internet.

Montreal/Columbus - "We want to win the game."

Leafs / Twitter + Blogger fans - "We want to shoot more pucks closer to the net than they do."

 

[Gallagbi]

I can tell just by reading that article he’s probably never played a game of hockey in his life. This narrative that we won the expected goals battle is such nonsense. It implies that Montreal and CBJ would try to trade chances with us. As for “getting goalied” we make it easy for the goalie. Nobody on this team crashes the net hard for screens, tips and rebounds. Expected goals means nothing when the goalie has a clear view of the shot and can take away the entire net because there’s zero traffic

This just seems like perception above reality to be honest. The narrative that many push is MTL and CLB shut-down Toronto's offense and limited chances.

The xGF stat isn't necessarily about trading chances, it is a measure of carrying play and generating opportunities and it is why you'll commonly see it referenced both as a raw stat, but also a %.

For this year:
- We carried xGF
- We carried rebounds created (quick count shows we doubled the rebounds that the Habs had). So it's an odd claim to say we didn't have traffic.
- We failed to convert on golden opportunities; specifically late in the series when your opportunities didn't seem to drop
- Call it poor conversion, bad goaltending by Campbell (he wasn't good late in this series) or Price standing on his head - personally I saw a combination of all 3.

Basically all of the things we want to harp on the Leafs not doing enough of in this series, we still seemed to do more often and with more talented players than the Habs as far as skaters go.

 

[nuck]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Kyle Dubas Will Come Out of This a Legend

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are the victims of a results-based industry that has really no idea how to evaluate a team that got very unlucky."

Why is editor in leaf so bad? Is he paid by the leafs?

[MOD]

I don't think he is a fool, more of a "glass is half full" guy trying to put a positive spin on the horrible storm of negativity surrounding the team. The seemingly moronic "Dubas is a Legend" thing is to generate site traffic and you linked to it and I just got sucked in to read it He wrote the "Leafs are just unlucky" article last month too right?

Don't get drawn into his thinly veiled click bait and swiss cheese arguments. We all know there is no XGF Cup awarded and hiring Keefe was a bad choice not bad luck.

 

[Stonehands1990]

This just seems like perception above reality to be honest. The narrative that many push is MTL and CLB shut-down Toronto's offense and limited chances.

The xGF stat isn't necessarily about trading chances, it is a measure of carrying play and generating opportunities and it is why you'll commonly see it referenced both as a raw stat, but also a %.

For this year:
- We carried xGF
- We carried rebounds created (quick count shows we doubled the rebounds that the Habs had). So it's an odd claim to say we didn't have traffic.
- We failed to convert on golden opportunities; specifically late in the series when your opportunities didn't seem to drop
- Call it poor conversion, bad goaltending by Campbell (he wasn't good late in this series) or Price standing on his head - personally I saw a combination of all 3.

Basically all of the things we want to harp on the Leafs not doing enough of in this series, we still seemed to do more often and with more talented players than the Habs as far as skaters go.

When 34 & 16 were on the ice Montreal wasn’t even concerned with generating offence. Their focus was to just get pucks deep and have all 5 guys on the right side of the puck. When you adopt that strategy you’re gonna get caved in on xG but Keefe and co were too dumb to realize that

 

[Gallagbi]

When 34 & 16 were on the ice Montreal wasn’t even concerned with generating offence. Their focus was to just get pucks deep and have all 5 guys on the right side of the puck. When you adopt that strategy you’re gonna get caved in on xG but Keefe and co were too dumb to realize that

If you implement it perfectly, you don't allow any xGF since you're limiting/eliminating quality opportunities from prime scoring areas. Montreal wanted to play that line to a 0-0 xGF (so no advantage), then exploit the rest of our line-up down a key piece.

When you're allowing slot changes, onetimers, odd man rushes and prime scoring opportunities - that's when you get caved in on xGF, which is basically what we saw. We also saw poor conversion from that top line - and even throughout the line-up on those quality looks.

 

[hullsy47]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Kyle Dubas Will Come Out of This a Legend

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are the victims of a results-based industry that has really no idea how to evaluate a team that got very unlucky."

Why is editor in leaf so bad? Is he paid by the leafs?

This James Tanner reminds me of a few posters around these parts.

Who is editor in leaf
My grandkids ask me
Horrible reporting but great for deflecting the leafs woes
every player is the greatest

 

[hullsy47]

The author is a hard core Dubas apologist. I'd be willing to bet he posts here quite regularly.

Hes a kid in moms basement. Still has mats sundin poster above his bed

 

[Bomber0104]

When 34 & 16 were on the ice Montreal wasn’t even concerned with generating offence. Their focus was to just get pucks deep and have all 5 guys on the right side of the puck. When you adopt that strategy you’re gonna get caved in on xG but Keefe and co were too dumb to realize that

Wow, so you're saying that not every team actually wants to win the expected goals championship and that the stat itself is directly influenced by coaching strategy?

So if Montreal and Toronto were playing the same apples-to-apples barn-burner / rush-oriented / cheat-the-zone / heavy-pinching strategy then it might be worth comparing...

Anyone with eyes can see that's unfortunately how the Leafs play, and not Montreal/Columbus/Boston/Washington type teams.

Those teams have playoff success.

The Leafs get bounced in the opening round.

 

[Mickey Marner]

James Tanner is an idiot, he use to post in the Leaf Facebook groups I'm in, I remember when the Leafs finished last, he tried to convince me that Jake Gardiner, Nazem, and James Rimer were franchise players when I asked if that were the case why was the team in last place he couldn't answer, because there is no answer, because he's an idiot, and if he was here today, I'd have more infractions then I do because I would be constantly telling him he's an idiot again.

I can think of several hfposters that might actually be Tanner.

 

[egd27]

I can tell just by reading that article he’s probably never played a game of hockey in his life. This narrative that we won the expected goals battle is such nonsense. It implies that Montreal and CBJ would try to trade chances with us. As for “getting goalied” we make it easy for the goalie. Nobody on this team crashes the net hard for screens, tips and rebounds. Expected goals means nothing when the goalie has a clear view of the shot and can take away the entire net because there’s zero traffic

I've read a bunch of Tanner's articles. It's alway the same theme of how great Dubas has done as GM and a rotating supply of IF's.

Reminds me of a couple of hard core Dubites here.

 

[Stonehands1990]

If you implement it perfectly, you don't allow any xGF since you're limiting/eliminating quality opportunities from prime scoring areas. Montreal wanted to play that line to a 0-0 xGF (so no advantage), then exploit the rest of our line-up down a key piece.

When you're allowing slot changes, onetimers, odd man rushes and prime scoring opportunities - that's when you get caved in on xGF, which is basically what we saw. We also saw poor conversion from that top line - and even throughout the line-up on those quality looks.

Maybe that’s what you saw. I can count on 1 hand the amount of odd man rushes we had. And most of the slot chances Price was at the top of his crease taking away the entire angle. xG doesn’t factor in goalie positioning and it’s a massive influence on save %.

 

[colchar]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Kyle Dubas Will Come Out of This a Legend

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are the victims of a results-based industry that has really no idea how to evaluate a team that got very unlucky."

Why is editor in leaf so bad? Is he paid by the leafs?

This James Tanner reminds me of a few posters around these parts.

That they are "victims of a results-based industry that has really no idea how to evaluate a tea" has to be the dumbest f*****g thing I have read in weeks.