Sportsnet: Leafs are Shopping Phaneuf - MOD WARNING #394
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The Apologist
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That must be why Phaneuf was traded before he re-signed, why Phil Kessel walked, why Bozak is now a Flame, Luongo is a Leaf....
diceman934
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The Winter Soldier
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Nope, I respect this former player and there is a reason why he chose to private tweet it. If you PM I will tell you who it was. But I would ask you not to publicly say who it was.
Pyromaniac3
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It seems like you still don't understand what ails the Leafs. Defense was the biggest problem this season. If we get a good defender back and it is good value why not make the trade.
Commander Clueless
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In my opinion, it's very unlikely the Leafs receive what you are looking for.
I think the only way a Phaneuf trade happens is if what Kypreos said is true, and the man in your avatar decides he wants to change the direction and he's not sold on Phaneuf.
Most likely, the return would end up as a package of young players and/or futures. My opinion, anyway.
I'm not under any illusion that trading Phaneuf is somehow better for the Leafs short term, but I'll admit I'm scared what that contract will look like in a few years if Phaneuf starts showing wear and tear.
Schennanigans
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Does it really matter if we get a centre or defense? We get a centre and Kadri probably gets traded for a defensemen.
pucci2001
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yeah probably. when the pens put him on the market they'll probably get offered something outstanding. would have to put in JVR to even get a look
Schennanigans
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Kessel, Rielly, 2014 1st, Kadri. Yeah this is what it would take, and yeah we wouldn't do it. And probably shouldn't. You have to consider that teams will be lining up with offers.
Diatomic
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If their trading Malkin, Kessel is almost entirely coming back. Kessel, 8th overall, Gardiner for Malkin seems decent I suppose
hotpaws
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Good defensive teams are a product of all 5 players on the ice being defensively responsible . It's not the sole responsibility of the d while the forwards float around looking to score .
Acquring a quality C that can maintain possession and is solid defensively is just as important as finding a solid blue liner .
p.l.f.
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Inter division deals dont happen often but a lot of people in the forum have been speculating a Pheanuf trade to Detroit.
Tatar or Franzen
Oulette
Kindl
Det 2nd 2015
Pheanuf
Gauthier
Tor 6th 2014
Perhaps change that 6th rounder to a 7th or 5th. Good trade.Depends on who has the leverage. I say a 5th since Toronto is shopping him.
Tatar or Franzen
Oulette
Kindl
Det 2nd 2015
Pheanuf
Gauthier
Tor 6th 2014
Perhaps change that 6th rounder to a 7th or 5th. Good trade.Depends on who has the leverage. I say a 5th since Toronto is shopping him.
Yup, how about;
E. Malkin
D. Phaneuf
T. Bozak
N. Kulimen (Rights)
Malkin with Kessel would be amazing to watch.
Trapper
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Yup, how about;
E. Malkin
D. Phaneuf
T. Bozak
N. Kulimen (Rights)
Not that this is ever happening but I think we'd re-sign Kulemin if we got Malkin.
LOL! These past 2 years hasn't been anywhere near run & gun it was rope & dope.... They would have been a better team if they played more of an offensive game
Puck possession isn't regarded by the good old Canadian dump & grind game. In fact your giving up possession to play that game and grind the wall.
Detroit was the first team to go away from this game and have adopted the old SOVIET PUCK POSSESION GAME that's based around skill & skating to open up passes... That's why they've been EURO HEAVY for the past 20 + years and extremely successful.
More & more teams especially with the rules that were implicated to rid the clutch & grab skill killing hockey are playing more of the EUROPEAN puck possession game to control and dictate a game rather than dump & chase play defense first game that Carlyle seems to believe he 's watching in the playoffs.
The game has changed... Defensive hockey of the past has gone the way of the doo doo bird. It's now an offensive zone puck control game spend more time in the O zone than the D zone and the way that starts is by having puck possession through the neutral zone and into the O zone... Dump & chase is the last resort that really only teams with no talent play and that's what Carlyle has deployed for his last 4 seasons going back to his days in Anaheim... He's the one that needs to change and get with the times.
LOL! These past 2 years hasn't been anywhere near run & gun it was rope & dope.... They would have been a better team if they played more of an offensive game
Puck possession isn't regarded by the good old Canadian dump & grind game. In fact your giving up possession to play that game and grind the wall.
Detroit was the first team to go away from this game and have adopted the old SOVIET PUCK POSSESION GAME that's based around skill & skating to open up passes... That's why they've been EURO HEAVY for the past 20 + years and extremely successful.
More & more teams especially with the rules that were implicated to rid the clutch & grab skill killing hockey are playing more of the EUROPEAN puck possession game to control and dictate a game rather than dump & chase play defense first game that Carlyle seems to believe he 's watching in the playoffs.
The game has changed... Defensive hockey of the past has gone the way of the doo doo bird. It's now an offensive zone puck control game spend more time in the O zone than the D zone and the way that starts is by having puck possession through the neutral zone and into the O zone... Dump & chase is the last resort that really only teams with no talent play and that's what Carlyle has deployed for his last 4 seasons going back to his days in Anaheim... He's the one that needs to change and get with the times.
Never mentioned dump and chase. What we often do is spend five minutes hemmed in our end holding on for dear life. Then get the puck, skate down the ice, shoot the puck, get a chance or two, and if we don't score.....repeat the process. Wish we had more guys that were better at the possession game like you described.
We have those and don't use them right and if some people had there way we be trading 2 of the best we have at that in Gardiner and Kadri.
There's a lot of negativity thrown out at the players right now. They're not perfect and can certainly all improve as individuals but as a rule in team sports individual players are products of the environment they're in. The environment of team hockey the coaches are responsible for and we not only retained but extended the head coach
responsible for the team game we seen for 2 straight years of rope & dope, shackles on PMD a big proponent of puck possession, long stretch pass , dump & chase Defensive first hockey.My buddy said it best if your looking to improve the roster start by up grading your weakest link to add depth. If your looking to improve a poor team game fire the coach.... Looks like we're going backwards
We have those and don't use them right and if some people had there way we be trading 2 of the best we have at that in Gardiner and Kadri.
There's a lot of negativity thrown out at the players right now. They're not perfect and can certainly all improve as individuals but as a rule in team sports individual players are products of the environment they're in. The environment of team hockey the coaches are responsible for and we not only retained but extended the head coach
My buddy said it best if your looking to improve the roster start by up grading your weakest link to add depth. If your looking to improve a poor team game fire the coach.... Looks like we're going backwards
Absolutely agree with you
lmao wtf. That's a horrible overpayment.
so 8th overall(top 6 great prospect) Kessel(who's had the same amount of points in last 200 games or so)+Blue Chip D-man+2nd line C
I think Malkin is one of the Top C's in the league, but this is a team sport, and he hasnt done anything with Pitty in a while, not to mention he is very much a 60 game per season kind of player these days.
Personally I think it would take something like Kessel+Kadri+2nd for Malkin at most, that's a fair trade and improves both teams. Either way not worth it though IMO, rather just hope we draft a C or get one in UFA.
Griffski
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Malkin? Haha brutal, not a chance.
Yakupov was mentioned earlier, he'd be a good target. Kid has 40/40 potential. Elite talent is always welcome, especially at 20 years old. Yak-kadri would be nasty.
Yakupov was mentioned earlier, he'd be a good target. Kid has 40/40 potential. Elite talent is always welcome, especially at 20 years old. Yak-kadri would be nasty.
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