Proposal: leafs and bruins

[Riverfront]

Jake Gardiner for prospect Zack Senyshen !

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[Paneerboy]

how about no

 

[SB84]

Hahah noooooo. When making a proposal it's probably best to address each teams' needs. The leafs need more D men/D prospects.

 

[hamzarocks]

nope gardiner is one of our two proven top 4 dmen. We won't be trading him unless we add a pick to get a better dmen, or to get a less proven but dmen with higher potential. Not for Senyshen.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Not a chance.

 

[Acetylene]

No. Nope.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Leafs pass, easily. Gardiner is a cheap, controllable top 4 defender

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Jake Gardiner for prospect Zack Senyshen !

Leafs wouldn't do it, value wise and needs wise.

Value wise its probably close. Senyshyn proved he was worth the 15th overall pick last year and is a fantastic goal scorer. Add from Boston a little and maybe its close. Irrelevant though, TML need D men not scoring prospects.

 

[dream43]

We need Dman more than RW prospects. Nothing against Zach but he does not hold much value to Leafs

 

[Cotton]

Leafs wouldn't do it, value wise and needs wise.

Value wise its probably close. Senyshyn proved he was worth the 15th overall pick last year and is a fantastic goal scorer. Add from Boston a little and maybe its close. Irrelevant though, TML need D men not scoring prospects.

He was a fantastic goal scorer in a depth position his draft year too, didn't stop you guys from having a meltdown when he was selected.

Value isn't close.

 

[garyturner3]

Leafs wouldn't do it, value wise and needs wise.

Value wise its probably close. Senyshyn proved he was worth the 15th overall pick last year and is a fantastic goal scorer. Add from Boston a little and maybe its close. Irrelevant though, TML need D men not scoring prospects.

He may have proved he was worth the 15th pick, but the value is still far from close here.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

He was a fantastic goal scorer in a depth position his draft year too, didn't stop you guys from having a meltdown when he was selected.

Value isn't close.

How is this relevant at all?

Disagree on value, prospect/pick (the plus I noted) and the 15th overall pick is fair value for a 2nd pairing D man.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

He may have proved he was worth the 15th pick, but the value is still far from close here.

Explain what needs to be added to the 15th overall pick (in general terms) for a 2nd pairing d man then.

I'm not suggesting a straight up swap is fair, im just curious what you think needs to be added for it to be close.

 

[garyturner3]

Explain what needs to be added to the 15th overall pick (in general terms) for a 2nd pairing d man then.

I'm not suggesting a straight up swap is fair, im just curious what you think needs to be added for it to be close.

In my opinion you'd need to add a mid-late 1st for the value to match up. Then the whole team needs, etc. arguments can start. I know it seems like a lot, but established D-men are at a premium and he's proven to be a very good #3 d-man, not just an average 2nd pairing guy. Couple that with the fact he's still young and locked into a cheap contract. I feel like he's still got some untapped potential and his fancy stats are off the charts if you put much stock in those, which I personally do. A 2nd round pick maybe would be fair instead of a 1st, but anything later definitely would not.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

In my opinion you'd need to add a mid-late 1st for the value to match up. Then the whole team needs, etc. arguments can start. I know it seems like a lot, but established D-men are at a premium and he's proven to be a very good #3 d-man, not just an average 2nd pairing guy. Couple that with the fact he's still young and locked into a cheap contract. I feel like he's still got some untapped potential and his fancy stats are off the charts if you put much stock in those, which I personally do. A 2nd round pick maybe would be fair instead of a 1st, but anything later definitely would not.

Interesting. I think the contract is a big asset as well. Although 2 1sts seems like a lot for a D man who isn't a top pairing guy.

Anyway, team needs obviously werent considered here but I was more just curious how he was valued.

 

[garyturner3]

Interesting. I think the contract is a big asset as well. Although 2 1sts seems like a lot for a D man who isn't a top pairing guy.

Anyway, team needs obviously werent considered here but I was more just curious how he was valued.

There's a fair bit of Leaf fans that consider him better than Rielly; I personally don't. There's also a blogger (James Tanner) who is consistently writing articles about him trying to include him with the game's elite because his advanced stats are so good, but I think he may just have a serious man crush on him.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Jame...e-Case-of-the-Advanced-Stats-Bandit/200/74501

Either way, he took some massive strides last season with some structure to his game and he's definitely looking to be a fixture in their top 4 going forward.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Boston can't afford to do it. He is one of the very few pure RW the Bruins have in their entire organization.

 

[Canada4Gold]

No!!

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Jake Gardiner for prospect Zack Senyshen !

maybe if word was gardiner demanded a trade? even then i think toronto tries to make a deal for another dman.

my personal feeling about gardiner... could have had a cheaper option in justin schultz if we were willing to sign a multi year deal. i dont see gardiner developing into a hard nosed consistent effort defensively solid guy.

id prob prefer not paying so much money long term to a guy im not confident in.

value for trade favors boston... needs dont undress toronto... contract worries me

 

[kdog82]

No from Boston.

Gardiner would be behind Chara and Krug on the left side and the Bruins have a ton of left shot dmen in the system.

Senyshyn has 30 + goal potential.

Leaf fans getting way too excited over Gardiner.

 

[BruinLVGA]

In my opinion you'd need to add a mid-late 1st for the value to match up. Then the whole team needs, etc. arguments can start. I know it seems like a lot, but established D-men are at a premium and he's proven to be a very good #3 d-man, not just an average 2nd pairing guy. Couple that with the fact he's still young and locked into a cheap contract. I feel like he's still got some untapped potential and his fancy stats are off the charts if you put much stock in those, which I personally do. A 2nd round pick maybe would be fair instead of a 1st, but anything later definitely would not.

Gardiner isn't worth 2 1sts.

 

[Gavy]

No from Boston.

Gardiner would be behind Chara and Krug on the left side and the Bruins have a ton of left shot dmen in the system.

Senyshyn has 30 + goal potential.

Leaf fans getting way too excited over Gardiner.

Lmfao. Gardiner would instantly be your best defensman.
Gardiner is so underrated its ridiculous. Babcock has transformed the kid

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Senyshyn is a great prospect but not nearly as valuable as gardiner

 

[Morgs]

Gardiner turned Dion into a tradeable asset with no retention.

Think Fowler level of value, and that's only because he's one of the most underrated players in the league.

 

[HShahzad]

Gardiner would be a 5th or 6th Defencemen on a team trying to make the playoffs. He's no proven top 4 D; as some call him.