Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Emil Andrae, Samuel Ersson, 2026 3rd for Joseph Woll, Simon Benoit

[Damisoph]

Just goes to show you how little value goalies have and how far Woll's stock has dropped after this year. It's a shame, always had high hopes for him but those injuries man the guy's made of glass

 

[wallsailor]

Another underrated fact about this trade is that although he may not be a ‘major piece’ he does fit the McKenna/Cowan/Koblar timeline being just 24, but also fits into the Matthews/Nylander core as well and someone that can contribute now. Those are the type of players we should target imo.


25+ core: Matthews, Nylander, OEL, Tavares, McCabe, Stolarz, Carlo, Tanev

Under 25 core: McKenna, Knies, Cowan, Koblar, Danford, AA, Hilldeby, Andrae, COL 1st etc

It would be wise to start building around these under 25 players. It would be nice to target some other under 25 year olds like a Bystedt or Graf type player. Maybe Bourque but I doubt he’s available.

I agree, it makes sense to build around the under 25 year olds.
So whom of the older players would you trade in the next 14 months? Would you prefer to trade the oldest first or the ones who brings a big return?
Why wait some years if we could get a bigger return now?

 

[Damisoph]

there's no way Ersson gets a QO so maybe they try and bring him back on a two way UFA deal and he can back up AA for the Marlies.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I still think there is a shot that Stolarz goes as well for a more stable solution to pair with the 2 young guys.

Is it realistic the split next year is:
Stolarz 30ish games
Hildeby 30ish
AA 20ish

Doesn’t seem ideal to me.

 

[All Mod Cons]

for those who hate this trade, what kinda value do you guys think Woll had?
I’m generally curious on what kind of return people expected.

It's a weird one because you see fans annoint a guy a future core peice and if another teams wants him it will cost.

Then you see those guys put in trade proposals and we're always getting quality back in return.

Then that player gets traded for little value and people say that's what he was worth all along.

Happens with all our players. It'll happen to Knies i suspect.

 

[Anthrax442]

It is what it is. Woll was one of my favourites, but can't deny that he had a terrible year and worse tournament. He is unreliable and we can't have so many unreliable goalies. Stolarz has negative value. That was a terrible extension.
Hope this new defenseman works out. 3rd rd pick is useful, for sure.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Pure pwnership...

 

[TakeTheBody]

I'm sort of neutral on this trade. Don't know a lot about the defenseman we received. But he's younger and can actually move the puck. Not a bad thing. I do know this fan base overrates Woll. Injured a lot. Leaves the teams for reasons we still do not know. Stolly is better but often injured. Both goalies on the Marlies are hopefully our future.

 

[wallsailor]

I still think there is a shot that Stolarz goes as well for a more stable solution to pair with the 2 young guys.

Is it realistic the split next year is:
Stolarz 30ish games
Hildeby 30ish
AA 20ish

Doesn’t seem ideal to me.

I would start with Stolarz/Hildeby in a tandem. Stolarz need good stats to up his value. If there is an injury AA steps into the tandem.

 

[Siidekik]

Completely fair trade. People overhyping Woll like crazy

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Philly should give us our 1st back while we're at it

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What happened with Woll in game 7 against Boston again where he couldnt play? I cant remember its all a blur

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

What happened with Woll in game 7 against Boston again where he couldnt play? I cant remember its all a blur

He got hurt in the last minute or so of game 6.

 

[Leaf Fans]

there's no way Ersson gets a QO so maybe they try and bring him back on a two way UFA deal and he can back up AA for the Marlies.

That's most likely the only way they will keep. He has arbitration rights so qualifying him would be a bad option imo.

 

[Anthrax442]

He got hurt in the last minute or so of game 6.

Was such a dumb play too, he leaped to get the puck and hurt himself in a game they already won

 

[wallsailor]

Philly should give us our 1st back while we're at it

Chayka won this trade. Not easy to find a trade partner who wants to overpay
and Chayka did it.

 

[cyris]

People have no idea what they're talking about. A good comparison is Stuart Skinner.

Skinner is younger, lower cap-hit, more GP, more durable, and made 2 Cup Finals and basically was traded for negative value. Woll has slightly better numbers than Skinner. Skinner had a career save percentage of .904 when he was traded (with double the GP of Woll) versus Woll at .906.

The fact we got a possible PMD + a 3rd is good value.

I know people are going to miss the tank commander, but we don't have our pick next year. Finished the season with 3 straight games in April with a sub .827 save percentage in each one of them was masterful tanking by Woll. It might have been the best tank commander I've ever seen.

I mean I get it. If you are a Leafs fan and have been watching him for the past couple years you could see the potential and he plays probably the most important position on the ice.
But if you look at it objectively from the outside, he has trouble staying healthy, he had a bad year and a terrible WC tournament and everyone knew we had to trade a goalie.
Add to all that goaltending may be the most important position on the ice but due to the volatility of the position it’s the one that tends to return the least value in a trade. And this does seem to be an offseason with a lot of goalies on the market.

I would have preferred to get more back just like I would had preferred to trade the older Stolarz. But with the given circumstances I think we did reasonably well here.

 

[ACC1224]

Assumed they would have chosen Stolarz to move instead of Woll but you always knew one of the two was leaving.
Hildeby and AA are the goalies of the future.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I would start with Stolarz/Hildeby in a tandem. Stolarz need good stats to up his value. If there is an injury AA steps into the tandem.

Not "if", it's when. No way in hell Stollie lasts all season long without any IR stints.

 

[Warden of the North]

there's no way Ersson gets a QO so maybe they try and bring him back on a two way UFA deal and he can back up AA for the Marlies.

There's probably going to be better options available.

No reason to lock into him.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

there's no way Ersson gets a QO so maybe they try and bring him back on a two way UFA deal and he can back up AA for the Marlies.

Really no point in a two way deal as he needs waivers anyways. The only thing that changes for him is salary at that point. If you keep him no harm in a 1 way deal at a buriable amount.

I like some other options, (Sawchenko/Kahkonen specifically) but at best he would be the 4G here anyways.

 

[ToneDog]

Like Woll and Benoit but understand the rational behind this trade and not losing any sleep over it.

Hoping:

Chayka <> Dubas, Woll <> McBackup, Hildey <> Sparks.

Good thing is we did not lose a goalie on waivers Kyle.

 

[rumman]

He got hurt in the last minute or so of game 6.

Of course he did, that’s his problem, unreliable and made of glass, not to mention going AWOL for some secret reason at the beginning of last season.

 

[rumman]

Not "if", it's when. No way in hell Stollie lasts all season long without any IR stints.

Anything’s possible but not probable.