Post-Game Talk: Leafs 7 Canucks 3

[Notsince67]

To be fair we have a vocal group who want Dubas fired for tying his shoes in our fan base.

Ceci and Barrie was shoe tieing?

 

[zeke]

I dunno mannnnn....

If we reversed the scenarios and we beat Columbus with "insane goaltending" while getting outplayd I sincerely doubt you'd be the first one to come on here and say "the series win didn't really count guys, we beat them with unsustainable goaltending so it doesn't mean anything."

I'm almost certain some "wild conclusions" would get drawn.

if a goalie stole us a series, like Reimer almost did all those years ago, i know I would point it out.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I dunno mannnnn....

If we reversed the scenarios and we beat Columbus with "insane goaltending" while getting outplayd I sincerely doubt you'd be the first one to come on here and say "the series win didn't really count guys, we beat them with unsustainable goaltending so it doesn't mean anything."

I'm almost certain some "wild conclusions" would get drawn.

No, it would almost certainly get pointed out, because if it continued it would almost certainly cost us later on. Pretty much we would turn out like Columbus turned out against Tampa last year.

 

[zeke]

You were not consistent because you just made lame excuses for our “elite” forwards shameful lack of finish.

If the leafs do well this post season, I’ll just be happy and congratulate them. I won’t say they were just lucky or faced bad goaltending, or any other such silly ness.

this belief that "the only thing that possibly matters is winning or losing and discussing anything about how they won or lost is irrelevant" is one of the weirdest corners that you anti-stats folks have painted yourselves into.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Last night the leafs just kept deleting/walking around the Canucks D. It happened many many many times, and didn’t really happen on previous games.

Im wondering if it was part of a scouting report about their D. The leafs made them look like fools on so many occasions.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

yep.

leafs have faced elite teams (and even in CBJ's case, elite defensively) in the playoffs every year but nobody mentions quality of competition then.

leafs only ever finish behind the two best teams in the league every year, and nobody mentions quality of competition then.

Funny enough - everyone has always claimed that the leafs actually got EASY competition in the atlantic division, so it must be surprising for them to see the atlantic teams kicking ass this year outside that "easy" division.

I think there's a point to be made about losing to Washington (very young team at the time who exceeded expectations) and even losing to Boston the second time (Boston is a great team built for deep runs). But I'm sorry, there is no excuse losing to Columbus. That's a series you need to find a way to win. Period. You can't run a 33Million dollar line and put up a 0 in a do or die game. That just can't happen.

No excuses this time around. We're the big fish in a small(ish) pond. We need to do something tangible this year or heads will roll. I'm liking what l've seen so far though. If Rielly and Anderson can figure it out we should be able to do damage.

 

[Zybalto]

You were not consisted because you just made lame excuses for our “elite” forwards shameful lack of finish.

If the leafs do well this post season, I’ll just be happy and congratulate them. I won’t say they were just lucky or faced bad goaltending, or any other such silly ness.

You need always need a little bit of luck to win in the playoffs.....and a good goalie of course.

Not even talking about the Leafs series, after 3 games in the Tampa series, the stats are insane. Columbus had the 3rd worst defensive numbers out of the 16 teams and rocked a 95.60 save %. Its even crazier when you consider all the extra time played due to the overtime periods. They were giving up more shots/60 than Vancouver has so far this year. Tampa still came out of those 3 games up 2-1 but is was less than an inch away from disaster multiple times those first three games against the team that swept them the year before.

 

[IPS]

No, it would almost certainly get pointed out, because if it continued it would almost certainly cost us later on. Pretty much we would turn out like Columbus turned out against Tampa last year.

I sincerely disagree... The main narrative would turn into "look at the incredible defensive play our group put out, never seen that out of them before, progress boys! Finding ways to win games!"

not that there's anything wrong with either narrative, it's hockey at the end of the day and random factors decide lots of things..

Just pointing out the absurd inconsistency of one poster's opinion..

 

[zeke]

I think there's a point to be made about losing to Washington (very young team at the time who exceeded expectations) and even losing to Boston the second time (Boston is a great team built for deep runs). But I'm sorry, there is no excuse losing to Columbus. That's a series you need to find a way to win. Period. You can't run a 33Million dollar line and put up a 0 in a do or die game. That just can't happen.

No excuses this time around. We're the big dog in a small(ish) pond. We need to do something tangible this year or heads will roll. I'm liking what l've seen so far though. If Rielly and Anderson can figure it out we should be able to do damage.

nothing great about that series, but the leafs did outplay them.

we can argue about whether the leafs shooters choked, or their goalie was hot, or whether it was just fluke luck, and they're all plausible, but the leafs were the better team in that weirdass 5gm series after months off break.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

this belief that "the only thing that possibly matters is winning or losing and discussing anything about how they won or lost is irrelevant" is one of the weirdest corners that you anti-stats folks have painted yourselves into.

I think there are so many advanced stats now that you can use them to prove just about anything, depending on your agenda.
On the Columbus series alone, do the stats prove that our elite forwards lacked finish, or that they faced elite goaltending? It all depends on your narrative.

But results speak for themselves.

I, personally, am fed up of the ENDLESS use of statistics to defend the leafs lack of results.
We’re long past the time of putting up or shutting up. The team needs to show that this year. They’ve been doing a decent job of it so far.

 

[IPS]

yep.

leafs have faced elite teams (and even in CBJ's case, elite defensively) in the playoffs every year but nobody mentions quality of competition then.

leafs only ever finish behind the two best teams in the league every year, and nobody mentions quality of competition then.

Funny enough - everyone has always claimed that the leafs actually got EASY competition in the atlantic division, so it must be surprising for them to see the atlantic teams kicking ass this year outside that "easy" division.

No doubt about it, the narrative of Leafs "LOL no playoff series wins" is a silly one. A crappy playoff format had us playing a top-5 team in the league twice, one of which was 1 game away from winning the cup.

 

[Metroid]

so the DoPS are actually not even gonna take a look at that hit? for real? no phone call hearing or anything?

 

[Dekes For Days]

If we reversed the scenarios and we beat Columbus with "insane goaltending" while getting outplayd I sincerely doubt you'd be the first one to come on here and say "the series win didn't really count guys, we beat them with unsustainable goaltending so it doesn't mean anything."

Of course I wouldn't say the series didn't count. I never said the Columbus series "didn't count" either. Evaluating and acknowledging the reasons why you win or lose doesn't mean something doesn't count, and if we won by Andersen putting up 0.952 goaltending and stealing a series for us, then I'd have no problem acknowledging it.

You were not consistent because you just made lame excuses for our “elite” forwards shameful lack of finish.

I was consistent, just like I always am. I maintained that the playoffs last season were real, even when we lost, and congratulated Tampa on a well-deserved Cup. Do not misrepresent the things that I say and do. I know you like to blatantly ignore all context and information and act like the sky is falling whenever possible, but staying rational and properly evaluating what happened within a 5-game sample and what that means moving forward is not "lame excuses".

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

nothing great about that series, but the leafs did outplay them.

we can argue about whether the leafs shooters choked, or their goalie was hot, or whether it was just fluke luck, and they're all plausible, but the leafs were the better team in that weirdass 5gm series after months off break.

100% agree. I just think at some point you have to get it done. When all is said and done results are what matter. I'm optimistic that this year we see some results.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Careful I got told Elias Pettersson was putting on a clinic in all 3 zones when I suggested he had an uneventful game against Vegas in the playoffs, funny thing is no one on the Canucks left the one zone.

Best team in Canada ffs, roster changes notwithstanding were still looking at an incredibly delusional fanbase.

And now on the main board you have people saying 'Lolz no one said Pettersson > Matthews, you're imagining it!', or 'Yeah, but some Leaf fans said Matthews > McDavid!'.

Really...

The gaslighting and he-said-she-said is out of control.

And it's not even like he isn't a great player, but he's looking like he's on the Aho-Marner-Barzal tier and not the Matthews-Eichel-MacKinnon tier.

'But his all around game!', what is this based on? Matthews has become an all-around monster since Keefe came in.

 

[justashadowof]

I'm probably the millionth person to say this: Jason Spezza should shoot more often.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Sure but the idea is that you can get a better player that you can now fit at the TDL. Internally I do not think we have a viable #2 LWer. I don't see it, but imagine adding Hall at the TDL. Canucks added Pearson and Toffoli at the TDL and won 2 rounds.

Yeah remember when those guys were added last year, remember nash in boston. Talent isn't necessarily better than chemistry.

 

[MattySnipes]

Players of the night (GameScore):

1. Huberdeau
2. Rielly
3. Garland
4. Spezza
5. Radulov
6. Nylander
7. Marner

 

[nobody]

I'm probably the millionth person to say this: Jason Spezza should shoot more often.

I think this has been a theme of his career. Spezza has always had a stellar shot but just refused to rip it. He always prefers to dish the puck when given the chance.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah remember when those guys were added last year, remember nash in boston. Talent isn't necessarily better than chemistry.

Never any guarantees but teams that think they have a good shot generally look to add at the TDL.

 

[Dekes For Days]

And it's not even like he isn't a great player, but he's looking like he's on the Aho-Marner-Barzal tier and not the Matthews-Eichel-MacKinnon tier.

Aho-Eichel-Barzal*
Matthews-Marner-Mackinnon*

 

[therealkoho]

Interesting that Benn whith 5 career fights, stuck up for Hughes by fighting Simmonds. Did anybody stand up for Kerfoot or for the hit on Marner behind the net on Matty's 2nd goal ?

inre the Marner hit, that's what the Hughes hit was all about

 

[Duffman955]

Thinking about it some, perhaps Simmonds' hit on Hughes was the right time and place.

Simmonds seems to be the exact player we needed.

Tough on his team, and even tougher on the other team. Brings the intimidation and is extremely smart so far.

People clear the way when he's on the ice.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Simmonds and Bogosian have been a godsend. Exactly what this team needed. Just need one more Simmonds near the deadline and we'll be laughing.

 

[Antropovsky]

Simmonds seems to be the exact player we needed.

Tough on his team, and even tougher on the other team. Brings the intimidation and is extremely smart so far.

People clear the way when he's on the ice.

It’s been nice to see Simmonds... seems like it’s been a long time since I saw a guy in a leaf jersey who plays his style with a decent skill set.