Post-Game Talk: Leafs 7 Canucks 3

[Throw More Waffles]

never ever give an inch on the main boards.

they are all disengenuous leafs obsessed trolls.

they are full of it - they will only ever approve of comparisons in which a hot player is compared to a cold leafs player. and if you ever bring it up again after reality proves it stupid, they will cry and scream and insult you instead of admitting how wrong they were.

don't give an inch. even if it gets you banned, like some of us.

Want it you, just last week, who said Matthews is better than McDavid? It may have been someone else, can’t quite remember.

 

[ToneDog]

Simmonds and Bogosian have been a godsend. Exactly what this team needed. Just need one more Simmonds near the deadline and we'll be laughing.

Who'd have thought two "thugs" could make a positive impact? Especially after wasting a pick on Clifford. If Dubas has any bullets left in the chamber he'd be wise to add another "thug".

 

[Jojalu]

This goes both ways though.

If the leafs get swept in the first round you'll be the FIRST to spam these forums with excuses about how this wasn't even a "real" season and a whole bunch of psychotic stats to rationalize everything. And if we go deep? You'll be the FIRST to spam these forums that it IS a "real" season and Dubas is "THE BEST!!!!"

Me? I prefer consistency on the matter. RESULTS are what count. Not lame bullshit excuses. There will always be nonsense bullshit stats we can all twist to form a narrative. But RESULTS can't be twisted with your usual propaganda.

If we lose to a lousy team in a 5 game series, I will NOT give the lame insane excuse of facing "hot goaltending". Nope. I'd call it our overpaid prima donna forwards lacking FINISH!!!!

Last years playoffs were REAL and disgraceful. And this year is real as well. I'll be consistent. And they are doing well so far. Kudos. And if they go deep, I'll do nothing but praise Dubas and the team he put together. I won't pull a "dekes for days" and cite a whole bunch of nonsense to try and form/keep my insane narrative.

You are doing that right now. Your narrative is you believe the top 4 are overpaid prima donnas.

Have you ever spent any time building a championship team at any level in any sport?

It doesn't happen overnight and to say the Leafs have had some tough luck is factual.

They are now a certain playoff team, which for the previous 10 years we couldn't say.

We played better than Boston, but just were not as good and polished as them. So Dubas tinkerd, it didn't work, so he went back to the drawing board and tried again.

It's foolish to abandon your plan because you don't find the results you desire right away.

Obviously his plan was to build around Willy, Matthews, and Marner.

Besides Chicago, what team didn't take years to find success? Pitt did, but Crosby and Malkin are two of the alltime greats.

While results in the end ultimately matter, the process is just as important getting there.

 

[mix1home]

there is, and it's spectacular.

our 40gl/80pt power forward, folks.

"Bouncing puck goes to Nylander" lol

 

[mix1home]

Yeah remember when those guys were added last year, remember nash in boston. Talent isn't necessarily better than chemistry.

16 minutes. About 20 shifts. 1 shot each = 20 shots. That's about 5 goals. All other players should just skate around wasting time until next Spezza shift. lol

 

[zeke]

Want it you, just last week, who said Matthews is better than McDavid? It may have been someone else, can’t quite remember.

Yes.

 

[Auston 316]

"Bouncing puck goes to Nylander" lol

Hahaha that’s actually amazing. McDavid would’ve been talked about at intermission for the full 15 lol

 

[MattySnipes]

 

[supermann_98]

there is, and it's spectacular.

our 40gl/80pt power forward, folks.

So soft he didn’t even go to the net after

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Our signings this year have all been home runs

Simmonds
Brodie
Bogosian
Spezza

Have been key, while the others have played quite decently too

You cannot underestimate what these two have brought to the team that they were lacking. And, if we're talking expectations, Bogosian is a home run that's out of the park!

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Sure, let's enjoy this but please remember that a shiny regular season record means nothing if they don't advance a round or 2 in the playoffs this year. The real season for me starts in May.

Agreed, but how they get there is important as well. As others have pointed out, this team seems to be a well-rounded team now. When have we had six defenders who can play the game reliably? When have we had a fourth line that can contribute as they have this year. And finally, when has this team had elite talent like the top 4 we have? I strongly believe we would have looked just as strong in the old Atlantic with this team. Remember, we haven't reached the peak of what we can be yet.

 

[StevenB]

Who'd have thought two "thugs" could make a positive impact? Especially after wasting a pick on Clifford. If Dubas has any bullets left in the chamber he'd be wise to add another "thug".

The problem with these “thugs”is that most of them don’t provide anything else beyond physicality. Simmonds brings an offensive edge and Bogo can play sheltered minutes and not look out of place. The issue is signing plugs like Reaves or Polak who cost you more games than they save.

 

[zeke]

The problem with these “thugs”is that most of them don’t provide anything else beyond physicality. Simmonds brings an offensive edge and Bogo can play sheltered minutes and not look out of place. The issue is signing plugs like Reaves or Polak who cost you more games than they save.

Yeah. Bogosian was a top5 pick thats played top pair minutes most of his career and simmonds a perennial 25-30gl guy most his career until injuries.

They ain't just thugs. They're limited, but they have real talent.

 

[ToneDog]

The problem with these “thugs”is that most of them don’t provide anything else beyond physicality. Simmonds brings an offensive edge and Bogo can play sheltered minutes and not look out of place. The issue is signing plugs like Reaves or Polak who cost you more games than they save.

I was being a bit facetious when I called them "thugs" because many were saying we do not need 'thugs" when many on this board kept wanting grit/sandpaper.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Yes.

A poster here said that the main boards were saying false things about leaf fans, like, for example, some of us say "Matthews is better than McDavid".

You responded to that poster saying that the main boards twists all our words around and stuff.

Then I say to you "Didn't you just last week say Matthews is better than McDavid?"

And you responded with "yes".

Wow. Speechless. Don't know where to go from here.

Pouring a beer. Best way to cope with pretty much anything in life.

 

[zeke]

A poster here said that the main boards were saying false things about leaf fans, like, for example, some of us say "Matthews is better than McDavid".

You responded to that poster saying that the main boards twists all our words around and stuff.

Then I say to you "Didn't you just last week say Matthews is better than McDavid?"

And you responded with "yes".

Wow. Speechless. Don't know where to go from here.

Pouring a beer. Best way to cope with pretty much anything in life.

Matthews is better than McDavid.

 

[The Man with a Plan]

It’s been nice to see Simmonds... seems like it’s been a long time since I saw a guy in a leaf jersey who plays his style with a decent skill set.

And who seems to know when to fight too...not just taking needless penalties.
Its either been retaliation or justice.
Big guy likes to live in the dirty areas.

 

[cesareborgia]

Simmonds and Bogosian have been a godsend. Exactly what this team needed. Just need one more Simmonds near the deadline and we'll be laughing.

Yes, this is what level headed people have been asking Dubas to add for years. Could never understand why there's such a vocal minority that is against having anybody physical and gritty on the team. We need more toughness, not less.

 

[lebdafor norris]

Gardiner never, ever got the top matchups that Rielly has had ever since he was 22.

Gardiner topped out against 2nd line quality of competitition, and not even particularly strong 2nd line qoc.

The difference in competition between the 2 Dmen isn't enough to bridge the wide gap of their GA/60 over a wide sample size of 3 seasons. We can even look at some other samples from other teams as evidence that the difference between 2nd pairing comp and 1st pairing comp isn't as wide as you believe.

Season 2016-2019 GA/60 5 vs 5

Shea Weber 1.81 (Montreal's 1st pair anchor)
Jeff Petry 2.76 (Montreal's 2nd pair anchor)

Aaron Ekblad 2.87 (1st pair)
Mike Matheson 2.8 (2nd pair)

Chara 2.41 (1st pair)
Krug 2.08 (2nd pair)

Fowler 2.11
Manson 2.09

Slavin 2.37
Faulk 2.47

Seth Jones 2.31
David Savard 2.22

Giordano 2.11
Hamonic 2.51

Carlson 2.46
Niskanen 2.22

Reilly 2.83
Gardiner 2.04

I'm sorry but the QOC difference between the 1st and 2nd pairing doesn't nearly matter as much as you are implying, in fact the truly good Dman even outperforms their 2nd pairing counterpart despite the heavier assignment. If Gardiner really was the "4th forward" and Rielly the semi adequate Dman on his own zone like what the previous poster implied, then it doesn't make sense that Gardiner had vastly outperformed Rielly in the GA department over a significant sample size of 3 seasons. I hate to say it, because I stated that Rielly deserved a 7 mill AAV on the Rielly thread, but a lot of the criticism Quinn Hughes gets for his defensive game can be apply to Rielly as well.

 

[zeke]

The difference in competition between the 2 Dmen isn't enough to bridge the wide gap of their GA/60 over a wide sample size of 3 seasons. We can even look at some other samples from other teams as evidence that the difference between 2nd pairing comp and 1st pairing comp isn't as wide as you believe.

Season 2016-2019 GA/60 5 vs 5

Shea Weber 1.81 (Montreal's 1st pair anchor)
Jeff Petry 2.76 (Montreal's 2nd pair anchor)

Aaron Ekblad 2.87 (1st pair)
Mike Matheson 2.8 (2nd pair)

Chara 2.41 (1st pair)
Krug 2.08 (2nd pair)

Fowler 2.11
Manson 2.09

Slavin 2.37
Faulk 2.47

Seth Jones 2.31
David Savard 2.22

Giordano 2.11
Hamonic 2.51

Carlson 2.46
Niskanen 2.22

Reilly 2.83
Gardiner 2.04

I'm sorry but the QOC difference between the 1st and 2nd pairing doesn't nearly matter as much as you are implying, in fact the truly good Dman even outperforms their 2nd pairing counterpart despite the heavier assignment. If Gardiner really was the "4th forward" and Rielly the semi adequate Dman on his own zone like what the previous poster implied, then it doesn't make sense that Gardiner had vastly outperformed Rielly in the GA department over a significant sample size of 3 seasons. I hate to say it, because I stated that Rielly deserved a 7 mill AAV on the Rielly thread, but a lot of the criticism Quinn Hughes gets for his defensive game can be apply to Rielly as well.

It matters, especially since your ignoring more thN half of the equation of winning hockey games.

 

[lebdafor norris]

It matters, especially since your ignoring more thN half of the equation of winning hockey games.

Because the subject isn't about Rielly's overall game but about how good he is defensively. I already said my view of Rielly's game in the other thread, it might not look like it basing from my previous post but I really do like Rielly, I actually though 7M AAV is a good deal for Morgan's next contract while many in the Rielly thread disagreed. Not only is he capable of putting up 50-70+ points yearly but he can also break thru the opposing neutral zone defence with his skate and/or his stick which is very valuable in today's game with all the emphasize on NZD, I get all of that, but that wasn't really the topic.

 

[crump]

You cannot underestimate what these two have brought to the team that they were lacking. And, if we're talking expectations, Bogosian is a home run that's out of the park!

Bogosian has been very good. Tough in front of the net, makes simple smart plays. I will eat crow on this one, I didn’t want him from Buffalo, but he has proved to be a solid addition we need in that slot.

 

[crump]

"Bouncing puck goes to Nylander" lol

Question on takeaway stats. I count 3 takeaways and 2 giveaways in 10 seconds, is that a net 1 takeaway?

 

[namttebih]

That game checked off all the boxes. Pretty good!

Missing one. I really want Soup to get one. I'm being greedy though, I know.

 

[saltming]

A poster here said that the main boards were saying false things about leaf fans, like, for example, some of us say "Matthews is better than McDavid".

You responded to that poster saying that the main boards twists all our words around and stuff.

Then I say to you "Didn't you just last week say Matthews is better than McDavid?"

And you responded with "yes".

Wow. Speechless. Don't know where to go from here.

Pouring a beer. Best way to cope with pretty much anything in life.

I have actually agreed with @zeke on this.
I think, and have said that mcdavid has more raw skill but I think Matthews is a better hockey player so maybe pour a shot for the beer