Leaf poll. Load up on picks or dump em all? - Now with Poll Options 2023-11-20
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thusk
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the futur is now for leafs...
developping a good D taking most of the time 4-5 season and you dont have any guarantee that will become an impact D. if they can have the right guy, for sure they should be ready.
if they can find a real #2, they need to be ready to move everypick you need for.
developping a good D taking most of the time 4-5 season and you dont have any guarantee that will become an impact D. if they can have the right guy, for sure they should be ready.
if they can find a real #2, they need to be ready to move everypick you need for.
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Absolutely awful idea to go into a draft looking for a specific position IMO. Take the best player. I don't want to pass over another Knies, Cowan, or Minten because I want a dman badly so I draft a Finn, Percy, or Dermott.
If there is a Liljegren there, or someone we really believe in to play some top 4 minutes for us within 5 years sure take it. Otherwise BPA.
So I vote no to this idea. Makes no sense to go all in on drafting at this point of our window. It is a better idea to acquire players with good cap hits with term with our draft picks. Someone like Weager with a locked in cap hit or similar to the McCabe trade where we get them for a few seasons.
If there is a Liljegren there, or someone we really believe in to play some top 4 minutes for us within 5 years sure take it. Otherwise BPA.
So I vote no to this idea. Makes no sense to go all in on drafting at this point of our window. It is a better idea to acquire players with good cap hits with term with our draft picks. Someone like Weager with a locked in cap hit or similar to the McCabe trade where we get them for a few seasons.
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I mean in round 5 of 2024 with 3 picks, if they took 3 dmen and said those were the BPA, I would simply believe it since at that point I wouldn't know any better. So sure, do it then. Do the same in the 5th round in 2025 with the 2 picks. 5 shots at hopefully 1 dman panning out. Why not.
But in the 1st round, go BPA. I don't want to take Fleury and miss out on Nylander cause a dman is needed.
But in the 1st round, go BPA. I don't want to take Fleury and miss out on Nylander cause a dman is needed.
There's a simple way to answer this.
What do you prioritize, wins now or wins later? We'll call them Present Wins vs Future Wins.
If you value PW it means you are gunning for a title run so should prioritize short term - 2-3 year window, of success.
If you value FW, you are looking at rebuilding the entire team and should be loading up on draft picks and trying to put yourself in a Devils like sitauation where you collect high end prospects that won't be ready for 5+ years.
There are rare instances where a team can do both - Dallas did it, Colorado thanks to Ottawa and the Duchene trade was able to do it. We actually could have been in such a situation had Treliving or Dubas traded Marner and/or Nylander for similarly impactful players and also getting premium draft picks out of them but it would require a very good trade become available.
What do you prioritize, wins now or wins later? We'll call them Present Wins vs Future Wins.
If you value PW it means you are gunning for a title run so should prioritize short term - 2-3 year window, of success.
If you value FW, you are looking at rebuilding the entire team and should be loading up on draft picks and trying to put yourself in a Devils like sitauation where you collect high end prospects that won't be ready for 5+ years.
There are rare instances where a team can do both - Dallas did it, Colorado thanks to Ottawa and the Duchene trade was able to do it. We actually could have been in such a situation had Treliving or Dubas traded Marner and/or Nylander for similarly impactful players and also getting premium draft picks out of them but it would require a very good trade become available.
I'm not sold this team is a cup finalist. So I'm reserved after watching how many own rentals and picks we dumped for nothing. When I say load up I mean rounds 2 to 5. Never throw a first(Cowan) away.At the second you can take more risk and look for defenders who fall. Most GM's won't be around in 5 years so they go for impact soon. Defenders take min 4 years.
Can I get a poll please?
Can I get a poll please?
Ps Brodie and Gio need to be replaced soon. Liljegren and maybe Niemela is all we really have. The rest are fringe at best.
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Dragao6
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Go for it obvi
We been in win now mode for awhile
We will only have matthews for so long
We just have to make sure we know what we’re doing when we make the trade
Goalie and defenders
Can we not trade McCabe types for some sort of pick also?
It’s why I wanted chychrun at the time
We give up allot but we know what we’re getting and before his contract was up we could trade again and recoup some picks
Also forgot to mention LEAGUE ISNT STRONG THIS YEAR so…
We been in win now mode for awhile
We will only have matthews for so long
We just have to make sure we know what we’re doing when we make the trade
Goalie and defenders
Can we not trade McCabe types for some sort of pick also?
It’s why I wanted chychrun at the time
We give up allot but we know what we’re getting and before his contract was up we could trade again and recoup some picks
Also forgot to mention LEAGUE ISNT STRONG THIS YEAR so…
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Darcy Tucker
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I honestly think Matthews Nylander and Marner will be able to play at a high level into their mid thirties like Crosby or Pavelski and our window is a little longer than some people who are panicking already think. That's another 10 years of superstar play.
thusk
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2 year ago vs tampa when Muzzin finally played a full serie, yes leafs showed despite the lost than with a real #2, they was legit stanley cup contender...
when they try to fix #2 D with depht d like mccabe/ schenn, dermott or whatever. they wasn't look like a solid contender
I doubt we have ten years. That isn't the norm. At about 30 the war wounds kick in. And if we haven't won in 4 years, Mathews will walk Scott free to a contender.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
All 3 could be gone in 5 years. Connor McDavid, pull a Tavares and come on down.
These 3 are so soft that they don't have many war wounds. When was the last time Nylander missed a game due to a war wound??
To be frank, I don't think we win with those 3. Nylander may not re sign and I think Marner will be the guy who doesn't get a raise. Lady age catches everyone.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
IMO those 3 can't win anything and they can't be surrounded with good enough players to win for cap reasons and our inability to draft and develop for whatever reasons. At this point we need Knies, Minten and Cowan to hit the ground running and that takes time. No idea how we come up with a SC worthy D.
That's obvious. If
Nylander ain't resigning then bye bye. I'd rather dump Marner but he is NMC. We got it backwards..again.
I also hate acquiring rentals but what's really the difference if we lose a guy to free agency but then sign a different one?
Imo the best option is to acquire players with good valued contracts like we did with McCabe. Tampa does a good job with this strategy.
keonsbitterness
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Unless we're a non-playoff team at the deadline, of course you make picks available if good deals are there to be had.
The Leafs have tradeable assets. Klingberg, a 2nd at TD if his game improves. Bertuzzi late first at TD. Walkways have value. Our mistake is own rentals and we aren't contenders yet. Many of us don't feel this version winning two rounds
I personally think our forward group has never been better, I'm suspect of our goaltending but I think that improves with a better defense,.so, thay would be mu focus.
