LD Travis Dermott - Erie Otters, OHL (2015, 34th, TOR)

[Arizonan God]

For all a player that was coined a better player than Konecny by some, he was sent down to the AHL by the Leafs. Reading his preseason reviews, thought he was a shoe in to make the Leafs Defence in his D +3 on a team that had many openings for D men.

They had 1 D spot open. Please refrain from spreading blatantly false information, thanks.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

For all a player that was coined a better player than Konecny by some, he was sent down to the AHL by the Leafs. Reading his preseason reviews, thought he was a shoe in to make the Leafs Defence in his D +3 on a team that had many openings for D men.

Many openings? Rielly,Zaitsev,Gardiner,Hainsey,and Carrick were all guaranteed. Many openings? Is that a joke? There was one spot open. With Dermott,Borgman,Rosen,Polak and Marincin fighting for it. You're really reaching here, but what else is new. Dermott looked good. Why anyone cares about Konecny is beyond me and seems like nothing more than an attempt to take away from Dermott and hijack the thread. I couldn't care less about Konecny. You wanna talk about him, go to the flyers board or his thread.

 

[Cotton]

TWS's pants are on fire.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Many openings? Rielly,Zaitsev,Gardiner,Hainsey,and Carrick were all guaranteed. Many openings? Is that a joke? There was one spot open. With Dermott,Borgman,Rosen,Polak and Marincin fighting for it. You're really reaching here, but what else is new. Dermott looked good. Why anyone cares about Konecny is beyond me and seems like nothing more than an attempt to take away from Dermott and hijack the thread. I couldn't care less about Konecny. You wanna talk about him, go to the flyers board or his thread.

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are signed to locked in contracts or are core D men. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year. Which ultimately means he did not win a job over 3 players, 3 openings, he realistically could have.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Really? Because there was 3 players battling for one spot in the top 6. The two swedes, Borgman in particular, had a very strong camp.

Don't waste your time. Just take a look at who you're responding too and you'll realize logic and actual information is not relevant to the discussion.

 

[Advanced stats]

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are world beaters. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year.

He played incredibly well thanks. Carrick was guaranteed a spot, Borgman earned a spot and Marincin is our #7. No use dermott sitting in the PB as a #7. Dermott had the flexibility to go down to the marlies and lost out due to a numbers game. We had 6 guys looking for that #6D spot. Borgman plays a style that fit the spot and won it. That's not to say Dermott lost the spot, far from it. Please stop implying your anti- leaf agendas. We all know you'd love to come back as a fan.

 

[Drytoast]

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are world beaters. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year.

Carrick had a great preseason and hes young. Dermott had a great preseason but hes younger. Borg and rosen also looked great. Rosen likely beats out marincin. And carrick hangs onto his job for now with clear pressure from below.

Gardner upped his game from last year and is likely our #1 d. Rielly is reilly. Zietsev hainsey are not going anywhere...wheres your 3 openings?

 

[4thline]

Funny how the takeaway isn't about the SHL rookie of year and 22 year old leading scoring d-man (of the entire SHL playoffs) on the championship team coming in and stealing the spot of a top performing prospect.

You'd think that an "NHL fan" would be more interested in that story line.

 

[Advanced stats]

Funny how the takeaway isn't about the SHL rookie of year and 22 year old leading scoring d-man (of the entire SHL playoffs) on the championship team coming in and stealing the spot of a top performing prospect.


You'd think that an "NHL fan" would be more interested in that story line.

Not so worried about TWS on this one, Borgman is gonna catch the entire NHL off guard.

Think Luke Schenn who can skate and has a wicked slapshot.

Or a Dion Phaneuf (lite?) At 6 million dollars less lol.

 

[Advanced stats]

Not so worried about TWS on this one, Borgman is gonna catch the entire NHL off guard.

Think Luke Schenn who can skate and has a wicked slapshot.

Wrong thread.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Dermott is better than Konecny.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

IMO some hockey fan go crazy (stupid) when they try to rank players as a # 1, # 2 Dman etc. Fact is all your Dmen better by NHL good, or else quite frankly, you just won't win,
We'll see in time, but it seems like the Leafs have struck gold....and cheaply by signing Zaitsev, Rosen and Borgman. They look to be NHL starters. Reilly, Gardiner and Hainsey are good NHL starters. Carrick has the change to be an competent NHL starter and watching Dermot is going to be NHL good also.
So actually the Leafs defence looks more than adequate this season if the pieces come together. And if you look at the Eastern Conference or almost the whole league, teams do have questions about the quality of play from their bottom half of their NHL Dmen. Leafs are no different. As a Leafs watcher, Leafs defence got better as the season progressed last season....just continuity on the a team that had lots of rookies and new players to the team. I would expect the Leafs to play better defensively early in the season and Dermot will be the first call up from the Marlies.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

For all a player that was coined a better player than Konecny by some, he was sent down to the AHL by the Leafs. Reading his preseason reviews, thought he was a shoe in to make the Leafs Defence in his D +3 on a team that had many openings for D men.

All 1 or 2 posters at most that said it lol. You are taking a couple posts and running with it as a major narrative, as usual. I know it's almost thanksgiving here in Canada, but no need to be a turkey.

 

[TheDoldrums]

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are signed to locked in contracts or are core D men. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year. Which ultimately means he did not win a job over 3 players, 3 openings, he realistically could have.

One of those "openings" is the 7th spot. You think Dermott was competing to sit in the press box?

The other opening was never really an opening because without Carrick they have 1 RHD on the entire roster. Not going to happen, especially since Babcock is known to prefer guys on their proper side.

Neither of those openings was "realistic."

 

[Commander Clueless]

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are signed to locked in contracts or are core D men. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year. Which ultimately means he did not win a job over 3 players, 3 openings, he realistically could have.

Not quite that straight forward. In terms of a top six there was one obvious opening with Gardiner, Zaitsev, Rielly and Carrick returning as full time players and the new UFA acquisition in Hainsey. There is also Marincin returning to his #7 spot and challenging for full time top six.

I don't think #7 was a realistic possibility with the Leafs likely considering top minutes in the AHL better development than riding the pine as a spare in the NHL (tends to be a veteran or two holding that spot i.e. Marincin, Corrado, and Marchenko last season), although we'll see what happens with the two Swedes.

Essentially, Borgman, Rosen, and Dermott were fighting for one spot with Marincin and PTO Polak. Looks like one of the Swedes will win it.

I'd say Dermott easily outplayed Marincin, Polak and Carrick thus far, but I can't say he outplayed the Swedes. All three have looked great actually.

I have no idea where the Konecny thing is coming from though....

 

[Pi]

One of those "openings" is the 7th spot. You think Dermott was competing to sit in the press box?

The other opening was never really an opening because without Carrick they have 1 RHD on the entire roster. Not going to happen, especially since Babcock is known to prefer guys on their proper side.

Neither of those openings was "realistic."

Yep. Carrick won't be going off the roster until we find a better RHD replacement. Carrick is a darn good 4-6D.

Marincin is a tricky one, most of the fanbase hates him but he produces results and Babcock likes him but I think he might end up being waived for Borgman and Rosen on the roster. Leafs won't give Dermott the spot of a 7D, Rosen or Borgman can be interchanged in the lineup but Leafs definitely prefer their younger guys to get ice time.

I guess you can say Marincin's spot was an opening for the 7th D but why would the Leafs sit him in the pressbox when he can play 20 mins for a team that is 10 km away? He's a phone call away from being on the Leafs in case of injury.

 

[Kanu]

You tell me? When a player was coined better than Travis Konecny(which created false expectations) and so many raved about his preseason. Surely one would expect him to win a spot ahead of Carrick, Marincin, or Borgman shouldn't he? 3 spots qualifies as many openings. None are signed to locked in contracts or are core D men. Maybe he didn't play as well as some claimed he did since the Leafs sent him back to start the year. Which ultimately means he did not win a job over 3 players, 3 openings, he realistically could have.

You keep posting this nonsense despite posters (who actually follow the team) repeatedly correcting you. Why would that be?

You're act is a lot more transparent than you think it is.

 

[Curufinwe]

Dermott is better than Konecny.

You should start a poll on that.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You keep posting this nonsense despite posters (who actually follow the team) repeatedly correcting you. Why would that be?

You're act is a lot more transparent than you think it is.

Following a team does not mean one is more knowledgeable, it means they only see a prospect through 1 lens. This is also the Main board, and anyone from any fanbase can comment on a NHL prospect in a prospects thread. You may check my post history. I post on a great number of prospects here. If you want to just view how a home team's fans view a prospect, then the team's board may be for you, not the main board. Thanks.

 

[BlueBaron]

Following a team does not mean one is more knowledgeable, it means they only see a prospect through 1 lens. This is also the Main board, and anyone from any fanbase can comment on a NHL prospect in a prospects thread. You may check my post history. I post on a great number of prospects here. If you want to just view how a home team's fans view a prospect, then the team's board may be for you, not the main board. Thanks.

We can also see from your post history you hate the Leafs and trash talk all our players and are usually wrong about them. You spend an unhealthy amount of time hovering over our threads looking for cheap shots and distorted realities to insert. Fact is without the Leafs your life would probably be empty and without purpose. Keep on hating, we can take it.

 

[The Podium]

Following a team does not mean one is more knowledgeable, it means they only see a prospect through 1 lens. This is also the Main board, and anyone from any fanbase can comment on a NHL prospect in a prospects thread. You may check my post history. I post on a great number of prospects here. If you want to just view how a home team's fans view a prospect, then the team's board may be for you, not the main board. Thanks.

At least try to be objective. Dermott not making the team was more circumstantial than warranted by play. Would this be the first time a player is kept off a team due to contract status, play style and/or opportunity (in the case of Marinicin who won a spot in the press box)?

 

[93LEAFS]

I think we've heard enough from a former fan who thought we made a massive mistake taking his 9th ranked player 4th overall.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think we've heard enough from a former fan who thought we made a massive mistake taking his 9th ranked player 4th overall.

He's no Lawson Crouse, that's for sure.

 

[BayStreetBully]

You should start a poll on that.

I don't waste my time making polls.

 

[Randy Randerson]

the Konecny vs. Dermott **** measuring contest can die now, its really not necessary. Konecny is a more valuable player in a vacuum today because he has a year of NHL success, Philly wouldn't trade him for Dermott because they are stacked with defense prospects and need good supplementary offensive players to build around Patrick, Toronto wouldn't trade Dermott for Konecny because we're already back logged with supplementary offensive players and we really need a defenseman who can play big minutes against top competition and excel at shot suppression which Dermott could be...funny thing when teams pick prospects, those prospects tend to fit the needs of the team that drafted them