LD Shakir Mukhamadullin (2020, 20th, NJD; traded to SJS)

[FreeMcdavid]

That’s not how it works.

thats not how what works?

That is literally the trade that went down

 

[Nocashstyle]

thats not how what works?

That is literally the trade that went down

Hmm, that’s odd. I don’t remember Shakir Mukhamadullin being a part of that trade. I remember a first round pick.

 

[Leopain]

thats not how what works?

That is literally the trade that went down

You can be glad your team made a deal that you like without being an ass about it.

 

[lawrence]

For sure middle eastern ancestry.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

You can be glad your team made a deal that you like without being an ass about it.

or i can be me and not worry about who is too sensitive.

btw im not being an ass about it.

saying Canucks doing cartwheels and that Shakhir was a panic pick isnt being an ass, its an opinion. Feel free to have a differnet one ill gladly accept it.

 

[Fantomas]

I call him Bugmadullin. Sometimes Flymadullin.

I bet his nickname in North America will be Fly.

 

[Brodeur]

thats not how what works?

That is literally the trade that went down

It's tough to just plug in the names since Vancouver likely would have drafted somebody else.

As an example, LA traded a first round pick to Boston for Milan Lucic. Boston used that pick on Jakub Zboril, so does that make that a good trade for LA since Zboril's development has stalled? Or would you have to look at it differently if LA would have taken Matt Barzal had they kept the selection (according to former assistant GM Mike Futa, Barzal was the highest on their board at that point).

And I'm not even saying that it's a bad trade for Vancouver by any means. But realistically, Miller doesn't have much to do with Mukhamadullin aside from the pick changing hands a couple times.

 

[hot donut]

For sure middle eastern ancestry.

Tatar or Bashkir, there are many Tatars living in Bashkortostan. Amirov is also a Bashkir.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

So this was the pick that the Canucks gave up for JT Miller?

Vancouver is doing cartwheels right now.

Its quite obvious that NJ panicked and had its eyes on Schneider with the 19th pick until NYR traded up and swag jacked them.

Dont like this pick at all.

Hugo Anefelt with the 71st pick has a bigger chance of making the Canucks regret the Miller trae IMO

They panicked because the rangers took the guy they desperately wanted — apparently not desperate enough to pick him literally one spot before where they chose Mercer. Schneider is very low upside and they picked multiple players the previous year with his skill set.

I don’t love this pick but it’s much better than a Schneider pick would’ve been.

 

[My3Sons]

Okhotyuk is an easy one to remember when you break it up.

At a bar you see 3 options:

Ok Hot Yuk

Mukhamadullin is much harder but I broke it down into Muk Ham A Dullin, almost sounds like a Gaelic song.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together

I am the Walrus
Mukh Mukh a dull(in).

it if you prefer Elvis

Just a hunk a Mukh a Mukh a burning’ love.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Fist pumps at least!

JT Miller 27 yrs old 69 gp -72 pts, 17 playoff games 18 playoff points.

ridiculously affordable contract 5.2 mil for 3 more years

FOR

Marec Maranzec
Shakir Mukhmadhullin
Hugo Alnefelt

Ya carthewheels

The rest of your division is doing cartwheels that Holtby is your starting goals

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

They panicked because the rangers took the guy they desperately wanted — apparently not desperate enough to pick him literally one spot before where they chose Mercer. Schneider is very low upside and they picked multiple players the previous year with his skill set.

I don’t love this pick but it’s much better than a Schneider pick would’ve been.

What's the evidence for this? Just the dots being connected with the Rangers trading up?

 

[FreeMcdavid]

The rest of your division is doing cartwheels that Holtby is your starting goals

Not sure what Holtby has to do with the thread

Also, Holtby isnt our starting goalie,

Demko is..... have you heard of him?

Pete DeBoer blamed Vegas' inability to score against Dallas on... Thatcher Demko - Article - BARDOWN

 

[thrillhous]

So this was the pick that the Canucks gave up for JT Miller?

Vancouver is doing cartwheels right now.

Its quite obvious that NJ panicked and had its eyes on Schneider with the 19th pick until NYR traded up and swag jacked them.

Dont like this pick at all.

Hugo Anefelt with the 71st pick has a bigger chance of making the Canucks regret the Miller trae IMO

This is the most pointless thing to discuss in this thread and all you’re doing is trying to piss people off. This is about the prospect, not a trade made last summer between 2 different teams.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t love this pick but it’s much better than a Schneider pick would’ve been.

So you rationalize the pick that Schneider’s range of outcomes is small and Mukhamadullin’s range of outcomes is big? That’s some weak reasoning.

 

[goonybird]

They were trying to trade #20 before Schneider was off the board lol

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

So you rationalize the pick that Schneider’s range of outcomes is small and Mukhamadullin’s range of outcomes is big? That’s some weak reasoning.

I don’t need to rationalize anything. They were comfortable overdrafting a guy with big bust potential and massive upside because they already chose 2 studs earlier in the 1st round. They were never using their 3rd 1st on a low potential player like Schneider. Enjoy McIlrath 2.

 

[BB06]

I think Mukhamadullin is gonna be a stud. If he was a forward producing at the same rate in his D+1 season it'd still be considered successful.

 

[hamzarocks]

Is he muslim? Would be the 2nd muslim player in the league after kadri. Think yakupov also was muslim but isnt in the NHL anymore. Dont know much about him as a player but has a cool name. Hope he finds succsess at the NHL level

 

[KovalSNIPE]

It's a cute little narrative that the Shakir pick was us scrambling.

Literally one person (a Rangers journalist) speculated we wanted Schneider and suddenly now it's fact? Fitzy even said in the post draft interview that the Rangers trade had absolutely nothing to do with us picking Shakir. If it were true, he would've danced around the question instead of shutting down the speculation. If we wanted Schneider THAT bad, we would've picked him at 18. Especially because he was still available at that point when he was a consensus top 15 pick.

Now what do we have? A tall, very mobile, 18 yr old defenseman playing in the 2nd toughest league in the world, who's playing meaningful minutes and is 1 point away from breaking a record for points. Not a smaller defensive minded defenseman who will be nothing more than 2nd pairing at best with no offense in the NHL. Is Shakir riskier? Sure. But his potential is through the roof and far higher than Schneider.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Lol at that logic. Definitely thankful for how fun it will be to root for Big Shak and not have to talk myself into reasons to be positive about Braden Schneider.

 

[TBF1972]

This is the most pointless thing to discuss in this thread and all you’re doing is trying to piss people off. This is about the prospect, not a trade made last summer between 2 different teams.

i mean he is not wrong. it's very unlikely mukhamadullin will ever make it on a canucks roster.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Not sure what Holtby has to do with the thread

Also, Holtby isnt our starting goalie,

Demko is..... have you heard of him?

Pete DeBoer blamed Vegas' inability to score against Dallas on... Thatcher Demko - Article - BARDOWN

Sample size be damned

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t need to rationalize anything. They were comfortable overdrafting a guy with big bust potential and massive upside because they already chose 2 studs earlier in the 1st round. They were never using their 3rd 1st on a low potential player like Schneider. Enjoy McIlrath 2.

I'm merely questioning what you said. There's no need to be abrasive. You clearly feel pressured here about this situation.

While I agree that the Devils did well enough with their first two picks, teams don't or at least shouldn't pick guys outside of their draft range just because another player who went in that range theoretically has a smaller range of outcomes. You can try to convince yourself that Mukhamadullin could be Bobby Orr or a 3rd pair KHL guy in 10 years, but rationalizing it as completely "boom/bust" doesn't make a pick any better.

By nearly all accounts, the Devils majorly reached here. They probably don't think so, but it's really hard to say they didn't, unless one is in the Devils PR department. It's really poor rationale that because you believe Mukhamadullin has a bigger range of outcomes than Schneider that picking Mukhamadullin was a better idea than Schneider (or many players in that range for that matter). It's very likely that the better prospect has the bigger upside.

There's obviously a chance the Devils are right about Mukhamadullin and everyone is wrong. There's probably some chance he becomes a star defenseman, but the chances are a lot higher that players you think have a smaller range of outcomes and "low upside" become a star for the simple matter that they are better right now, and with some further development of their skills, they can improve their ceiling. People mistype these guys that are said to be boom/bust because of athletic tools. It's not as simple as if they turn on a switch, they'll be star players. Some of them never actually have the upside to be star players, even if they reach their ceiling.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I'm merely questioning what you said. There's no need to be abrasive. You clearly feel pressured here about this situation.

While I agree that the Devils did well enough with their first two picks, teams don't or at least shouldn't pick guys outside of their draft range just because another player who went in that range theoretically has a smaller range of outcomes. You can try to convince yourself that Mukhamadullin could be Bobby Orr or a 3rd pair KHL guy in 10 years, but rationalizing it as completely "boom/bust" doesn't make a pick any better.

By nearly all accounts, the Devils majorly reached here. They probably don't think so, but it's really hard to say they didn't, unless one is in the Devils PR department. It's really poor rationale that because you believe Mukhamadullin has a bigger range of outcomes than Schneider that picking Mukhamadullin was a better idea than Schneider (or many players in that range for that matter). It's very likely that the better prospect has the bigger upside.

There's obviously a chance the Devils are right about Mukhamadullin and everyone is wrong. There's probably some chance he becomes a star defenseman, but the chances are a lot higher that players you think have a smaller range of outcomes and "low upside" become a star for the simple matter that they are better right now, and with some further development of their skills, they can improve their ceiling. People mistype these guys that are said to be boom/bust because of athletic tools. It's not as simple as if they turn on a switch, they'll be star players. Some of them never actually have the upside to be star players, even if they reach their ceiling.

I didn’t like the pick. Again, I’m not “rationalizing” anything. It’s just plainly the case that he has more potential than Schneider and a lower floor. I get the pick, understand the risk they were willing to take, and trust the front office. Concern troll elsewhere.