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LD Samuel Morin (2013, 11th, PHI)

Flyers got a great pick, a bit earlier than i thought but he is going to be really good. he can do everything on the ice. i've been saying this forever, the guy has zero weaknesses
 
I really wanted Morrissey, but everyone is sleeping on this kid..
 
kind of so-so on the pick right now. i think he does have untapped offensive potential, as he has a very high hockey IQ and handles the puck very calmly and can really move for a kid his size. I definitely think he's an NHL defenseman. Whether or not he's a bottom pairing guy or a top pairing guy remains to be seen. Excited to see how he progresses at the very least.
 
I'm thinking an intimidating #3/4 dman. Not what you go for at 11th overall and I thought Philly needed offense from the back end.

I like this kid, but not at 11th overall.
 
FishManSam said:
I'm thinking an intimidating #3/4 dman. Not what you go for at 11th overall and I thought Philly needed offense from the back end.

I like this kid, but not at 11th overall.
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IMO, Morin has the highest reward potential of all the remaining defensemen available at that point.
 
I like him more than Zadorov. The big difference between the two is hockey sense. Zadorov doesn't have it, Morin does. Zadorov could probably play in the NHL next year or the year after, but he'll never be better than a third pairing guy because he doesn't understand the game. And the rest of his tools won't allow him to grow past the mental block.

Morin doesn't have big upside either, but because he has intelligence on top of great size and really good skating ability for a man his size, he'll be just fine. Needs to be able to make the right reads on the breakout passes and that's it. Zone exits are crucial for a reliable defensive defenseman. Doesn't have much in the way of offensive upside, doesn't need to. Fill out that frame, work on the small area footwork, get to the point where you don't have a problem eviscerating on-rushing forwards and you have yourself a #4 shutdown d-man. And there's nothing wrong with getting that where the Flyers drafted. Says this Penguins fan.
 
Mike Farkas said:
I like him more than Zadorov. The big difference between the two is hockey sense. Zadorov doesn't have it, Morin does. Zadorov could probably play in the NHL next year or the year after, but he'll never be better than a third pairing guy because he doesn't understand the game. And the rest of his tools won't allow him to grow past the mental block.

Morin doesn't have big upside either, but because he has intelligence on top of great size and really good skating ability for a man his size, he'll be just fine. Needs to be able to make the right reads on the breakout passes and that's it. Zone exits are crucial for a reliable defensive defenseman. Doesn't have much in the way of offensive upside, doesn't need to. Fill out that frame, work on the small area footwork, get to the point where you don't have a problem eviscerating on-rushing forwards and you have yourself a #4 shutdown d-man. And there's nothing wrong with getting that where the Flyers drafted. Says this Penguins fan.
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What is intresting is that the flyers know London very well, many connections and You would think that if they were going to pick this type of Defenseman it would be zad.

But they fell in love with Morin and I can see why. I disagree with you in that I believe he has a huge ceiling. He is literally just coming into his own in terms of offense. Next year is going to be huge for him. Rimouski is going to be quite good next year and he as the chance to emerge as the teams most important player. If he avg anything over .70 ppg we could have another Tyler Myers on our hands. If he fails to develop the Offense I think we have a Mobile Derrian Hatcher.
 
In the behind-the-scenes webisode that the Flyers produced, the scouts talked about Morin's upside, and mentioned "if he hits it[his upside]...".

What type of upside do you think they are envisioning? One where his offensive game rockets up in his post-draft years (like Weber, Chara, etc.)?

The Flyers were/are obviously super high on him, just wondering what you think his max upside is "if he hits" (like the Flyers scouts were talking about).
 
Roo Mad Bro said:
In the behind-the-scenes webisode that the Flyers produced, the scouts talked about Morin's upside, and mentioned "if he hits it[his upside]...".

What type of upside do you think they are envisioning? One where his offensive game rockets up in his post-draft years (like Weber, Chara, etc.)?

The Flyers were/are obviously super high on him, just wondering what you think his max upside is "if he hits" (like the Flyers scouts were talking about).
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Well, does such a thing that your describing exist in any tangible fashion? The beauty is in the eye of the beholder here. That's why I like to break my scouting reports down into "high ceiling" (what you are referring to) and "likely potential" and by "likely potential" I don't mean that he is "likely" to be this good, I mean, that he is likely to have this upside in ordinary course.

What if all of a sudden Morin pulls some Subban tricks out of his bag, flying down the ice, spin-o-rama, full stop, step and roof one? It's not technically impossible, but it's very unlikely given his tool set as of now.

I think his offensive upside is rather limited, he's not a smooth operator with the puck. One thing I do like about his puck skills is his ability to get the puck out of the zone, which, as I note above, is an underrated trait for a defensive d-man to have but yet it seems so simple...borderline obvious.

He doesn't even have Chara-level puck skills relative to age and development curve in my opinion, and Chara's offensive skills outside of his shot are relatively modest for a guy that's been one of the pinnacle rearguards of the era.

I think you're looking at #4 upside, personally. But anyone else could come along and say something completely different and not be wrong to any noteworthy degree...
 
just based off of comments/reports etc this guy definitely seems like a boom/bust. the boom is pretty big though. correct me if im wrong, however.
 
do0glas said:
just based off of comments/reports etc this guy definitely seems like a boom/bust. the boom is pretty big though. correct me if im wrong, however.
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See, I think it's the opposite. I think this guy is probably an NHLer down the road, but his upside isn't really anything great. But no one is any more right than the other because, well, it's a guess...a guess of a varying level of education, my level may be best described as: :dunce:
 
My opinion of his game is that he's a pronger-lite without the shot as of now. He has a good outlet pass, and plays physical defense. Good active stick as well. I'm excited about his potential and his future on the Flyers
 
The thing holding him back from having elite upside (imo, of course) is his composure. He's extremely 'jumpy', for lack of a better word, and I think this flaw is most pronounced when the puck is on his stick. What is promising, though, is that he is barely 18 and will likely develop much more confidence in his abilities as he continues to both mature and fill out.

He's never going to be a quality two-way defender; I think most would agree here. However, I like the way he moves the puck in transition. Having a good first pass is half the battle between being strictly a stay-at-home defender and being in that next tier up where you can put up a decent amount of points while having a rock-solid defensive game (ie, Marc Staal). The other half the battle is skating ability, and it's clear this is a big strength of his. If his hockey sense can tie these two traits together neatly, I think he will exceed expectations as a puck mover.

It's tough to nail down his upside when he is so raw. Right now, all you can see are the tools. It's really tough to gauge what the toolbox looks like, though. If his toolbox (hockey sense) proves to be solid, then he'll be able to tie his talents together nicely and become something of a Coburn/Hedman hybrid (absolute ceiling). If he can't tie it together and simply gets by on his natural talents, he'll essentially be another Braydon Coburn. If he can't tie it together at all and his natural talent proves to be incapable of the NHL on it's own, he's destined to be another Keaton Ellerby.
 
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