LD Rasmus Sandin - Rogle BK, SHL (2018, 29th, TOR)
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Coaches Coroner
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There have been a couple non-Leaf fans here with positive comments. In general, non-Leaf fans only post in Leaf threads to police homerism (even if they are homers for their own team) and after Leafs trade a given prospect to proclaim what a great prospect the team gave away (despite not caring about the player previously).
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Look at the non Leafs fans who started to like Carl Grundstrom and Sean Durzi only after they were traded to Los Angeles for Jake Muzzin.
I'm also sure that whoever Los Angeles drafts in the 1st round with the Leafs pick this year will be talked about how great he will become and if only the Leafs could have selected him had they not traded their 1st round pick.
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Grundstrum is legit good, most Leaf fans thought so and then he showed well in the NHL after the trade so I have no issue with that.
Durzi on the other hand had just about zero fans and no hype even from our own fanbase and hasn't shown much more this season than last. That one baffles me. He has some NHL potential [mod]
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thrillhous
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Enough persecution complex posts already. I (and most others I imagine) are only interested in reading about the prospects themselves.
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I regard Sandin as the Leafs best defensive prospect. But he has struggled in this playoffs thus far against Charlotte. -4 last night, -3 in game 2. -10 on the season. Does he need more seasoning in the AHL before making the Leafs D who do have a plethora of openings next year?
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There aren't really a lot of openings at all. Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott and Zaitsev (unless he is traded) are all locks. Rosen has a good shot to make it and so does Liljegren, especially because he is a right shot and has played solid this year and in these playoffs. Sandin will be in the AHL to start next season.
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Just glancing at the Games in 6 packages, Sandin probably needs more time in the AHL. He is still young, and it looks like he is overwhelmed at times. Lots of time for him to make the NHL. He is the Leafs best Leafs D prospect. I expect him to be the best of the Marlies D men one day.
Use this as a lesson, unless you watch the player you do not have an opinion about that player
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Isaac Nootin
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This kid is incredible.
The minutes he and Liljegren log, especially at their respective ages is simply astounding. No easy/sheltered minutes either.
Both will be future studs on the Leafs blue line for years to come.
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As I stated, I watched the game in 6 for all of the playoff games. Never claimed to have watched the entire game, or would I say I did if I didn't. But that does mean I did see the goals he was on the ice for. Unlike others here that quote plus - minus stats by reading boxscores. And in the games Sandin was -4 and -3 in, by the way that is a combined -7, it isn't hard to see he has struggled, since the goals he was on for he looked out of sync. You sound rattled that someone can look up game highlights and easily see Sandin making mistakes. Try not to be so defensive next time. Since I also said he clearly has the most potential of all the Marlies D men, and really that margin is a wide one IMO to the next Marlies D man. Sandin should he a good one, he may trend to be a Niklas Hjalmarsson type of player, he does not need excuses for his play against Charlotte. He just needs to play better.
You didn't see shit.
Just because you watched the 'Game in 6' doesn't mean anything what-so-ever. Your opinion of a player is determined by the stat sheet and highlights, which isn't an opinion of a player at all and just a gut reaction
Your "opinion" is meaningless
The Winter Soldier
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Did you watch the game? Really I have access to Maple Leafs TV, infact I am watching it right now. And I will pause it, after I watch other things I want to watch and start it again, So if you want to discuss the game, you better let me know right now, since you will look kind of foolish if you are calling out a poster commenting on the goals against Sandin was on for last night -4 in a game in 6 replay when you yourself did not watch the game at all. Did you watch the game?
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Ok here we go, I am watching the Game on demand right now.
Here are my game notes on Sandin.
First Period
Shift 1 - Sandin goes back for the puck on an icing. Sandin does not get the puck out. But harmless enough. No damage. i mins in.
2nd shift by Sandin. Rushed the puck out quickly after being pressured by the Checkers player, almost a giveaway.
3rd shift, Sandin and Lilegren having a little difficulty dealing with the Checkers fore check.
4th shift, Sandin and Lilegren give up a good chance to the Checkers player. Sandin overplayed the player on that rush to allow that chance at the 11 mins mark. Good save by Hutchinson.
Shift 5, Sandin nice quick pass to Bracco to Moore for a PP goal. Liked Sandin's puck movement there.
Shift 6, PP time. Not much Sandin on this shift.
Shift 7, PK tries to hit a Checkers player, bounces off. Nothing really to report on this shift either.
Shift 8, PP Sandin mishandles the puck at the blue line, coughs it up and the Checkers score a SHG. -1.
Period over.
2nd period begins.
Shift 1, Sandlin not in position, leaves the man uncovered in front of the net. Checkers score in the first 20 seconds. -2
Shift 2, PP A couple of stretch passes tried and missed. Sandin in a tough position stairing down a 2-1, could not break it up, Checkers score their 3rd goal, 2nd shorthanded. -3.
Shift 3, Sandin covers his man in front of the net, shot deflected into the stands off another Marlie. Sandin highsticks #25 of the Checkers, takes an unneccesary PIM.
Shift 4, comes out of the PIM box. Advances the puck.
Shift 5, Sandin tries to make a hit on a Checker at Center ice. 9 mins left in the period.
Shift 6, Sandin draws a PIM
Shift 7, PP time, Sandin makes a couples passes to Moore and Bracco. Carries the puck up the ice.
Shift 8, Sandin getting caught up ice, Natasiak with a dangerous chance.
Shift 9, 4 on 4 play. Sandin almost gives up the puck in front of the net on some tenacious forechecking by a Checker player.
2nd Period over.
Do my game notes match yours @Orfieus thus far?
3rd Period.
Shift 1, Sandin playing like a rover trying to get some offence going.
Shift 2, Sandin outmuscled off the puck, recovers, passes to Lilegren who throws a grenade up the ice. Lucky on that play it didn't end up in the Net.
Shift 3, Made a good pinch to keep the puck in the Checkers zone.
Shift 4, More PP time, passes to Bracco who just misses..
Shift 5, PK, Sandin makes a giveaway in the neutral zone.
Shift 6, Makes a cross ice pass to get out of zone, very active D man, likes to roam.
Shift 7, Jumps into the attack, gets a shot on goal or deflected over the glass.
Shift 8, Goalie pulled, 6 attackers. close to 4 mins left. Tries a pass, intercepted.
Shift 9, Face off in Checkers zone. Nothing involving Sandin.
Shift 10, Checkers score into an empty net Sandin tries to block the shot, it ricochets and it's a -4 on the night.
@Orfieus
After 3 periods of watching the game, Sandin had a rough game. -4 after 60 mins. This doesn't mean he is going to be a bad player, infact I like his skating and passing, he reminds me of Jake Gardiner. But you said any opinion without watching the game was meaningless. I watched it. Did you watch the game? Since you called out my post. Do you think I portrayed the game accurately? To me it confirms exactly what I said and saw in the game in 6 package and now the entire game of watching 60 mins of the entire game.
My conclusion is, I think Sandin will be fine, he is only 19, he skates well and really all he needs is filling out and more AHL experience. He will need that strength to play in the NHL. One thing I noticed is he seems to hear footsteps when under pressure by the opposing forecheck. But this is not foreign for young players. He should get better at this.
Overall I would say he was by far the most noticeable Leafs D man this game and I believe he is the Leafs best Defence prospect. The other Leafs D men did not stand out to me, I barely noticed Lilegren or the others playing tonight.
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From what I've seen I like Sandin a lot more than Liljegren.
I think the leafs will get a solid 2nd pairing dman out of Sandin, good value for a very late 1st.
I think the leafs will get a solid 2nd pairing dman out of Sandin, good value for a very late 1st.
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I really appreciate it when posters who regularly watch a player comment on him. It helps to cut through all the pollution of posts from people who rely on stat sheets and highlight packs like “Games in 6.”
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Agreed.
Sometimes it's hard to cut through all the B.S. but many great posters here with a lot of knowledge.
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Oh man the 'I watched the game in 6 bro' is my favorite new meme
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When you take the internet so seriously you watch something you're not interested in to "own" a poster. Definitely having a normal one.
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Martin Skoula
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The best part will be when no one reads or replies to his essay on Sandin. That's what, at least an hour gone for nothing?
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Original post was made at 7:38 p.m.
It was last edited at 1:27 a.m.
Almost 5 hours wasted, failing to prove a point!
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Nah I'm a big Sandin fan, but it isn't like you can pretend he didn't struggle that game. I'd say resorting to "lol I never cared anyway" just makes you guys look worse.Original post was made at 7:38 p.m.
It was last edited at 1:27 a.m.
Almost 5 hours wasted, failing to prove a point!
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