LD Noah Hanifin (2015, 5th, CAR) II

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I would not be too worried about Hanifin. Making the jump from US College hockey as a 18 year old to the NHL is hard enough. IE. Eichel. For A Defenceman it is doubly difficult. This kid is going to be a Stud Defender. Just needs more seasoning.
 
Is he closer to Erik Johnson or Ekblad? What do you guys think he will develop into?

If I had to pick between these two, I'd say he's closer to Ekblad than Johnson. He's a better skater (and I'd say probably more skilled) than Johnson, but Johnson is bigger and more physical than Hanifin. From what I've seen of him, he's more cerebral and sees the ice very well which is more similar to Ekblad. He's extremely poised for his age. It terms of his skating and style, I see a lot of how Jay Bouwmeester was in his early years.

Limited sample size though so it will be interesting to see how his game evolves.

EDIT: I wasn't trying to say that Hanifin will be a better (or worse) player than these guys, just comparing styles of play.
 
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I would not be too worried about Hanifin. Making the jump from US College hockey as a 18 year old to the NHL is hard enough. IE. Eichel. For A Defenceman it is doubly difficult. This kid is going to be a Stud Defender. Just needs more seasoning.

Trust me, none of us Canes fans are worried at all. He shows progression and get's more impressive each game.
 
Trust me, none of us Canes fans are worried at all. He shows progression and get's more impressive each game.

Thanks for the progress report. Hanifin's progress is harder to track because he is not solely a points producing D man. So this is indeed good to hear. I had him as the 4th ranked player in my rankings last year.
 
Thanks for the progress report. Hanifin's progress is harder to track because he is not solely a points producing D man. So this is indeed good to hear. I had him as the 4th ranked player in my rankings last year.

Following up to an excellent piece written by TSN’s Travis Yost last spring comparing Florida’s Aaron Ekblad to the top 18 year old defensemen of the past decade, Carolina’s Noah Hanifin now joins this conversation. Hanifin, this summer’s fifth overall draft pick, is on pace to be just the ninth defensemen since 2007 to complete a full season in the NHL at just 18 years old joining an elite group that includes Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, and Seth Jones. Let’s see how Hanifin stacks up against their 18 year old rookie seasons.


Production and ice time are one of the easiest ways to measure success from a raw statistical standpoint which is how Yost first compares Ekblad to the elite group. Using this measure, Hanifin fits right in. Ekblad tops the list in both even strength points and ice time for an 18 year old with Hedman following him. Hanifin is projected to finish third on this list (extrapolating his production of 4 EV Points and 15.04 EV TOI/gm through 24 of his team’s 27 games so far) which is very impressive.

EV Points & TOI

Next, Yost compared Ekblad’s impact to the group on a team level using relative possession/goal statistics. This better shows how the team performs when a player is on the ice compared to playing without him. Let’s recreate Yost’s graph and add Hanifin to the mix. I’ve added one additional measure, relative high danger scoring chance percentage, to the graph.

Relative Performance

A majority of the defensemen have struggled in most, if not all these categories. This means that their team has been better without them on the ice. It isn’t easy to come into the league as an 18 year old defenseman and have a positive impact to the team. Factoring in the minutes and roles they played, most of the 18 year old defensemen were a liability to their team every single night. Hanifin is one of only two defensemen to have positive relative numbers in all four categories, the other being Ekblad.

Hanifan has had a positive impact on Carolina’s blue line so far this season but the team has struggled overall. Carolina currently sits 26th in the league in points and just two points in front of last place Calgary. Like many of these top defensemen who were drafted early in the first round to rebuilding teams, it will be several years for Hanifan’s Hurricanes to make the playoffs. Until then, expect Carolina to build around him while he matures and develops into a legitimate top defenseman.

Even though Hanifan is having a successful season, don’t expect him to follow in Ekblad’s footsteps of winning the Calder Trophy as the league’s top rookie. His impact hasn’t been as strong as Ekblad’s was last season, whose relative possession and goal statistics were much higher, and Hanifin isn’t projected to score as many points or play as many minutes as Ekblad did. In addition, many rookie forwards are scoring at a high rate this season. Max Domi leads all Calder Trophy eligible players (Chicago’s Artemi Panarin leads all rookies with 27 points but played the past two seasons in the KHL, making him ineligible to win the Calder Trophy) with 23 points, followed by Detroit’s Dylan Larkin with 21 points. Expect Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel to join this conversation as the season goes on.
 
Why hasn't anyone posted in this thread in almost three months?

I've only watched a few Canes games, as they aren't the most exciting team, but Hanifin has looked good, from my limited viewings.

Can a Canes fan give an update on how he's played so far this season?
 
Why hasn't anyone posted in this thread in almost three months?

I've only watched a few Canes games, as they aren't the most exciting team, but Hanifin has looked good, from my limited viewings.

Can a Canes fan give an update on how he's played so far this season?

Very steady with the occasional typical rookie hiccup. Hasn't been explosive offensively but he's steady and very very smart, he's already running the #1 PP unit with Faulk injured. His defensive game is already well beyond his years and when he does make a bad move he has the skating to get back into the play before anything serious can happen typically.
 
Also he was starting to open his game up before Faulk got injured and really started to push and carry the puck up the ice. But now that his partner is Michal Jordan, he's started to slow down and be less aggressive to cover for the inevitable breakdown. It's pretty interesting to see both sides of him, but the one with the puck on his stick is special to watch
 
He's good in the sense that he clearly has talent. Offensive instincts, skating, defensive awareness (not that the canes system us that hard). He's good in the sense that he only turned 19 a month ago.

But as an NHL player he's not that good yet. It's to be expected, but ejbkad was an excellent top 4 guy out the gate. Hanifin is barely treading water as a 3rd pair guy.
 
He's good in the sense that he clearly has talent. Offensive instincts, skating, defensive awareness (not that the canes system us that hard). He's good in the sense that he only turned 19 a month ago.

But as an NHL player he's not that good yet. It's to be expected, but ejbkad was an excellent top 4 guy out the gate. Hanifin is barely treading water as a 3rd pair guy.

Barely treading water? Give me a break ... Ekblad had the benefit of playing with Willie Mitchell all of last year... Hanifin went from Murphy to Pesce/Slavin to Michal Jordan... All while being insulated from playing top 4 minutes not because he can't handle it but I believe the team made a decision to not rush him.... Hanifin is having a very good rookie year to say he's barely treading water is plain stupid ...
 
No, it's because Slavin, Liles and Hainsey (in that order) are better.

If you have a link where someone says "Hanifin is playing the 3rd pair because we don't want to rush him", go ahead and post it.

And this shouldn't take away from Hanifin's year, he's had an excellent campaign....for an 18 year old. As an NHL player he has work to do.
 
Agreed with Finlandia though your wording is harsh. I just want to add that Noah Hanifin's tape-to-tape passing is beautiful. His skating is excellent. He hasn't been offensively explosive yet - I think that will come as he grows confidence and learns exactly when to pinch and take his spots. But the guy absolutely oozes raw talent. He thinks the game very well and he has excellent defensive awareness and positioning. You can clearly see when watching him that Hanifin COULD be a Norris contender in 5 years when he is Faulk's current age. He has the tools and the brain. But yeah, he definitely makes some rookie mistakes. We're a bit spoiled in Carolina with Brett Pesce being more solid in his own end and Jaccob Slavin being even more of a wunderkind (though they're both 2 years older) than Hanifin this year. Surprisingly, there may not be room for Haydn Fleury next year. He had a much better shot to make the team this year if not for Hanifin. But next year we'll have right now Hanifin, Hainsey, Faulk, Pesce, Slavin, and Wisniewski. I could see us signing a guy and also having Trevor Carrick or Danny Biega as the #7.
 
Back up the bus a bit. I don't think you can say with actual certainly that going with Strome and Marner over Hanifin is ignoring BPA. To the teams that took those guys, they were the BPA. After McDavid and Eichel the lists were pretty varied between those three. Since when is putting up points a bad thing? I think you are twisting facts in order to tell a narrative and that's hurting your argument all over the place.

I'm not saying it with certainty, I'm giving my opinion that BPA was ignored or I think they evaluated BPA poorly.

You also completely ignored what I said about where they stood most of the season. I had said that up until the last few months, Hanifin was the consensus #3. I think you'd find that was true if you go back and check.

On the points, not a bad thing, but forwards vs. defenseman, OHL vs. NCAA. I think people got mesmerized by the points for the two of them, and didn't give Hanifin enough credit for a good season as a pre-draft freshman at a top college hockey program. He did nothing to have his stock drop.

You blame GMs for looking at the immediate (point totals or qualifying for tournaments) but give yourself a pat on the back because one year out Hanifin is in the NHL and Marner/Strome are taking an extra year to develop in junior? Seriously?

Considering I didn't think there was much of a debate on who should've went 3rd to begin with, why should I change my mind barring some crazy turn of events like Hanifin becoming a bust or one of those other two being a lot better than I thought.

FWIW, relating to the rest of your post, which I mostly agree with, I think Marner's a pretty even talent at his position to Hanifin, he's an example of a player that really improved his draft stock, but I don't think there's much question that you take the D over the winger, if the talent is equal, unless its a Laine type of goal scoring winger with how valuable goals are in today's NHL.
 
Barely treading water? Give me a break ... Ekblad had the benefit of playing with Willie Mitchell all of last year... Hanifin went from Murphy to Pesce/Slavin to Michal Jordan... All while being insulated from playing top 4 minutes not because he can't handle it but I believe the team made a decision to not rush him.... Hanifin is having a very good rookie year to say he's barely treading water is plain stupid ...

Agreed. He's been very good for his age and experience level coming in.
 
No, it's because Slavin, Liles and Hainsey (in that order) are better.

If you have a link where someone says "Hanifin is playing the 3rd pair because we don't want to rush him", go ahead and post it.

And this shouldn't take away from Hanifin's year, he's had an excellent campaign....for an 18 year old. As an NHL player he has work to do.

I think maybe you should watch his games more closely.
 

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